Yankees, Pirates discussing A.J. Burnett trade

The Yankees and Pirates have discussed a possible A.J. Burnett trade, with the Yankees willing to pick up a portion of the $33 million they owe the right-hander over the next two seasons.

That figure has been said to be in the $8 million range. CBS Sports’ Jon Heyman reported in a blog post that New York and Pittsburgh are still separated by a few million dollars.

Burnett could be an extraneous piece for the Yankees, who currently have seven pitchers to fit into five rotation slots. He would head to Spring Training competing with Phil Hughes and Freddy Garcia for New York’s fifth starter job. Heyman notes that the Yankees asked for slugger Garrett Jones, but were rejected.

The New York Post’s Joel Sherman tweeted that the 10 clubs on Burnett’s limited no-trade list are all on the West Coast. Burnett signed a five-year, $82.5 million contract with the Yankees before the 2009 season and is 34-35 with a 4.79 ERA in his three seasons wearing pinstripes.

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OMG! Stop it!!!

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OMG! Sop it!!!

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Welcome to the matt sicko..bombers beat down site..join us…you will love it here..just remember when u post here you have to agree 100% with matt sicko otherwise u will be personally attacked….follow matt as he rips every yankee player and poster while not citing any particular scout or baseball expert.or any stats to back up his claims…yes join matts bombers beat down board.where his opinion reins supreme…thanks matt for your awesome efforts and baseball expertise…lol

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Troublemaker is off his meds again. Obviously can’t take his own medicine. JEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!! Only trouble maker is itdiotbo.

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Again, Bob who is this guy talking to?…you , me…some mythical being….what does he mean anyone can personally assault anyone freely?…I’m on 5 yankee boards and haven’t seen anything like this nut…boy he is so easy….take a darvon dude…hahahaha…..start your own Bombers beat down site…Matt’s site where if you don’t agree with eveything “matt says” you are a troublemaker….Crashman…Bustnett…Troublemaker….tells people to get off the board here….hes hilarious….what a clown!!!

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Hmmm. Not much restraint there!

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Where did I site the fact that if someone doesn’t agree they area troublemaker? Illiteracy is obviously a strong point of yours. I love it when you act like a victim, it’s sooooooo entertaining.

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Maybe you should read your posts instead of going into “rant mode” or trying to say you didnt call someone a trouble maker…just read above…you posted it…dont feel as if you have to make personal assaults because someone disagrees even slightly..you are better than that…how about understanding that baseball is not an eaay game..players have good years and bad years..i think your whole problem here is you wont admit that aj had a good year in 2009 and was a good #2 for us and helped us win #27…he has a world series victory under his belt…and keep this in mind…how many ws victories does cc have…zero…hmmm

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itdiotbo,

Your problem, one of many, is that you ignore or just flat out disregard facts, again not a surprise!!! I’m focusing on the whole picture which includes his 3 seasons with the Yankees, not 1, not to mention the fact that he was signed for 5 years not three, so he couldn’t even finish out his contract. One good year doesn’t change the facts about BUSTnett and that he is a BUST. So what,baseball sin’t an easy game, you can say that about any other professional sport. Golly gee, you think that’s why they are getting paid millions of dollars in the first place? This team made the mistake that he can succeed with the Yanks, obviously they were wrong. He went by way of every other bust in every sport who turned out to be a bust, cut or traded, he obviously didn’t.

Also, don’t make yourself look like a fool by mentioning Burnett’s name with Sabathia’s. He was far more responsible for getting the Yanks to the WS than BUSTnett as he was also 4th in CY Young voting. He has also won 59 games in his 3 seasons with the Yanks, how many has BUSTnett won? This team is at the very least a threat to go to the WS every year with CC, sorry to say no one can say the same about your boyfriend. I know you”re going to take that fact personally I’m sooooooo sorry. Sabathia is 2-0 in postseason while BUSTnett is only 2-2 with a mediocre 5.09 ERA.

Again, I’m sorry to disillusion you about your boyfriend BUSTnett, but you don’t see anything with any clarity. Also, you are the ONE who started the insulting posts with your “Get over yourself” post. I wasn’t even addressing you at the time, in fact you are the one who did START the trouble. Anyone who can read and the posting times can see that is a fact, period. So quit lying to yourself and others when we can all see the truth for what it is. So keep all your whiny little posts to yourself and quit doing such a poor job of acting like the victim. Spring Training hasn’t started yet so try not to blow a gasket or start insulting anyone when they disagree with you until then, baseball is a long season. You have plenty of time to act like a whiny little troublemaker/victim.

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Let’s ALL show some restraint!

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May I suggest we set up a self enforced ban on personal attacks? Obviously there are going to be disagreements here, but if you limit responses to reasoned arguments against, or even ignore those posts it will ultimately make this a much easier place to be.

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Another second of our lives senselessly wasted by the troublemaker of this board, and YOU are the TROUBLEMAKER since you ALWAYS start it.

IF you don’t like it then don’t start it or just get off this board if you don’t like what anyone else says on it. This is America last time I looked where people can say anything they wanted freely. So stop acting like the victim, you victimize everyone on this board by posting your GARBAGE, keep it off this board, and keep your whining off this board, this isn’t the place for any of it.

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The eloquence of Chad Jennings sums it all up:
Strange end to a strange saga
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2012/02/17/strange-end-to-a-strange-saga/

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Bob…I’m sorry but this site is really tough when a so called “yankee fan”…has all these derogatory nicknames for Yankee players, G/M’s and other posters.
This particular poster derides nearly every Yankee player every year..
Really takes away from the site…the intention hear being more to exchange views in a friendly environment whether we disagree or not…we should all try to be civil…If there is anything you can do it in that regard or anything I can do to help, please let me know….This is supposed to be Bombers Beat…not Bombers Beat Down!!!

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Robert,

When I talk about BUSTnett, I’m not just looking at his 2009 season, I’m looking at his whole body of work since he joined the Yankees, not 1 game, not one season, but rather all three seasons. That’s the way everyone should look at it, and most fans do look at it that way. So in actuality the reporters are agreeing with all us fans who think that BUSTnett is a bust and a mediocre pitcher overall.

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Sorry Matt. The point was about his “contribution” in 2009 only. I chose to quote writers only because they are generally more objective and are not as emotional as fans. You should note some of the quotes clearly support that he was putrid in 2010 and 2011. I also disagree with the statement that he “wasn’t so bad” then.
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The count I see is seven to one before any fan comments other than yours. You are on the short end.

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Before anyone starts talking about how BUSTnett hasn’t been all that bad, they should just look at his overall stats. His career stats has been getting progressively worse since joining the Yankees, and that speaks volumes, at least it does compared to that of a fan or a journalist who points out 1 game out of his Yankee career.

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Robert,

Those writers have the same problem you do. They don’t look at the bigger picture. They fail to mention the fact that Burnett failed badly to clinch the title in the ’09 WS by imploding in his next start. They also seem to forget that BUSTnett has not helped the Yankees get past the 1st round of each of the past two playoffs.

Whenever the Yankees or any team signs a player to a large contract, it’s all about results and success, one game doesn’t change that. The mere fact that he couldn’t even finish out his contract proves that BUSTnett was a failure.

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Robert,

The only real key point that quote made was his durability, and that’s it. If that’s the best anyone can come up with about BUSTnett, then that’s sad. Durability does not equate to success, especially when you are talking about $82.5 MM contract. How many teams in the majors spend that kind of money on a pitcher simply because he is “durable”? For that matter how many teams spend that kind of money on a pitcher who can only produce an ERA near a 5.00 ERA, a 34-35 record, can only produce 1 winning season while winning more than 11 games only once while doing it. This team paid the type of money a staff ace or #2 pitcher would get. IF the Yankees wanted a pitcher who could provide good durability, they could have done that by spending half of BUSTnett’s amount or less, but they got nothing more than a mediocre pitcher at best. His career started to decline the second he hit NY.

IT’s just delusional, if not ludicrous to think that BUSTnett was anything than mediocre. Saying that he had a good ’09 season isn’t saying much since the Yankee staff was only average that season. Why do you think there are so many Yankee fans who so ecstatic to be rid of his worthless carcass? Do you think this team would still be paying most of his contract or settle for low level minor league prospects if he were any good?

BUSTnett may do better in a weaker hitting NL, but don’t fool yourself by thinking the Pirates went after because he is a good pitcher by any stretch. They are desperate for pitching that can eat up innings, period. If you don’t believe me then read the quote you picked yourself.

Also, you are completely wrong when you say I am just one voice against many. Really? OBviously, you haven’t read many comments from Yankee fans.

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And a few more today:
“AJ Burnett circa-2009 was still a quality starting pitcher.”- Alex Geshwind
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“Burnett helped the club to the 2009 World Championship but was a total dud in the two following years.”- Mike Axisa
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“His addition was part of the $423.5 million spending spree that would help the franchise to its first championship in nine years. It might not have happened without Burnett, who with his team trailing the Phillies 1-0 in the World Series, delivered an electric outing to beat Yankee-slayer Pedro Martinez. The victory, easily Burnett’s biggest in pinstripes, changed the course of the Series.”- Marc Carig

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“After a solid 2009, Burnett has put together 2 nightmarishly awful seasons in the Bronx.”- Eric Schultz
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“The much-maligned Burnett posted a 4.79 ERA, a 1.99 K/BB ratio and a 1.45 WHIP in three seasons with New York after signing a five-year, $82.5MM contract in the 2008-09 offseason. He did, however, play a key role in the Yankees’ 2009 World Series title and averaged 195 innings per year during his time in the Bronx. This durability makes the 35-year-old Burnett an attractive quantity to the Pirates, who haven’t had a pitcher reach 195 innings since 2009.” -Mark Polishuk
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There was one more comment along the same lines yesterday that I can’t find and I remember several more when the AJ trade discussions started.
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Sorry Matt, you appear to be one voice against many!

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This is the Pirates we are talking about genius. They need pitching help, and moves like this just prove they are desperate for help. Yeah, this team had to eat well over 50 percent of his remaining contract in order to think about taking him and two low level minor leaguers. Pfffft, right he “he’s not that bad”. JEEEEEEEEZZZZ!!!

You’re boring me again.

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More delusional BS from the master of delusions. What a surprise. He pitched well in 2009? BWEHAHAHAH!!!!!!! Not well enough to earn the contract the Yanks signed hime to. He pitched well in 1 WS game and imploded in his next start. If he’s not worth the money this team signed him to then he is a BUST, plain and simple. The best you can do is bring up one measly playoff game? Try harder. He only had a .500 record in post season with the Yankees and a 5.00+ ERA. Also never had a winning record in the second half in any season he was with the Yankees.

You really need to get off those drugs they aren’t helping you deal with reality, or just go to a baseball board where people don’t know baseball. You might actually fit in.

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Matt…as someone fighting cancer and on chemo therapy I would appreciate you not getting personal with
“you really need to get off those drugs”..We are just talking baseball here…I apologize if the Red Sox comment so “enraged you”…..heres some facts for you

Just keep in mind that your calling the yankee GM “Crashman” and one of our pitchers “Bustnett”
Red Sox fans use those nicknames all the time…so you I thought you would probably more comfortable on the Red Sox board.

it’s easy for people to bash this signing 3 years later but the ONLY issue any of us had, or should I say, question marks, was whether he would stay healthy, not if he could perform.

From 2006-2008 (the years with the Jays) AJ was..

9 K/9 (4th in the AL), 51 %GB, 3.92 ERA (16th in AL ), 3.82 FIP (11th in AL ), 3.56 xFIP (5th in AL), WAR (11th in AL).

2009..AJ was definitely our number 2 pitcher..the stats prove it…I agree 2010 and 2011 were not 2 good for him.
We don’t win our 27th World Championship without him however….and until someone wins another play off game for us, I am correct in stating he won our last playoff game and forced a game #5…he pitched a good game under pressure

This deal went wrong for all the wrong reasons but Cashman did the right thing by signing him and did the right thing in moving on knowing it didn’t work. The fact that he’s developed and traded for cheap in-house solutions like Nova, Hughes and Pineda allows him to “sort of”, at least by Yankee standards, offset some of the costs.

I hope he performs well in Pittsburg and I’m surprised we got 13 million and 2 minor leaguers in return.

Bill D

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It’s just unfortunate that you can’t understand the concept of free speech in this country. If you did you wouldn’t be posting the Crappola you usually do on this board. For your info I can and will criticize the players and FO as much as I like when they deserve it. The players and organizations around baseball understand that concept. Don’t see why you have such difficulty understanding such a simple concept. I’m not the only fan who criticizes these players or organzation so get off your SOAP BOX already, it’s gotten to be a tiresome act.

As for AJ, are you kidding me? HE was only healthy for 1 full season between ’06-’08 so your stats are skewed by that fact. Face FACTS he had only 1 good full season and that was in ’08, and that was the only reason Crashman went after him, the same mistake he had committed before with players like Pavano. So the numbers DON’t prove anything of the sort.

The question was whether he could perform and stay healthy, get your facts right. I know you are alergic to those. Before ’08 he only had two full seasons as a fulltime starter. It’s always a risk and a potential mistake to sign a injury-prone player to a large contract, period.

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No one really cares about stats from two or three years ago, only one of which he pitched a full season,with another team. The only results that matter are his won-lost record with the Yanks and the fact that he couldn’t even finish out the contract. Those facts hold more weight in regards to what type of pitcher he is than 1 game in a WS or one good season. At least show some effort in your posts.

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Pirates believe he is worth 13 million and 2 minor leaguers..hes not that bad..just not worth 16 million per year..we won a world series with him..he pitched well in 2009 and beat fhe phils in 2009 ws…also was winning pitched in our last playoff win..talk about john lackey?…same money and twice as bad…we need to get some of these red sox fans off this site!!!!

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BUSTnett’s biggest problem is that he just is not a very good pitcher period, not worth the contract he signed with Yankees. the Yankees just continue to repeat the same dumb mistake of signing mediocre talent to large contracts based on one good season. BUSTnett has never had a good season with the Yankees and has flamed out in the second half of each season he has been with the team. The only good year he has ever had in his career was in ’08 with Toronto when he won 18 games.

Ever since that season BUSTnett has SUCKED big time never living up to his contract, but then again what do you expect from a guy who has never had good control as a pitcher and gives up way too many HR’s. It could be that he can’t pitch in the pressure cooker known as New York, but it’s far more likely he just plain SUCKS and lacks the talent to be the type of pitcher the Yanks thought he would be when they signed him to the type of contract #1 or #2 pitchers get. This guy is barely hanging around as a #5.

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blah..blah..blah..get over yourself..

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Burnett’s biggest problem is the fact NY is not a very forgiving market to pitch in, he pitched well in ’09 but when the problems appeared in ’10 it went downhill. He wasn’t given the support that you’d get say in KC or Seattle as the fans wanted it fixed by the next start – then he started to let his head over-rule his mechanics and you suddenly have a problem. He’ll be best served in a less media centred market where if he has a rough start they’re not going to analyse it pitch by pitch in the morning papers the way it is in New York. I’ll be the first to admit i’ve bashed the guy more than enough last year, but frankly after 2 seasons of being unable to control his mental state effectively it’s obvious to everyone that he’s not the right personality to pitch in NY.

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The Burnett signing brought us a World Series title the first year. It fell apart after that. A change of scenery would probably do Burnett a world of good. If Banuelos or Betances are going to make it to the big leagues they need to be given the chance eventually.

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That’s what ultimately swings it for me. Hughes needs his shot in the rotation, Garcia provides able depth and beyond that there is Phelps and Warren. Then perhaps by midseason the Killer B’s will have hopefully refined their command enough to be called up if necessary. Right there I count up to 10 potential starters including the ones already in the rotation.

There is plenty of depth here, Burnett isn’t part of the future and it’s time to move on and clear the roster spot for a second LOOGY, or a long man.

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Phelps and Warren are seen as nothing more as possible trade bait in the future, it’s not likely this team will see them in the rotation as full time starters any time soon. neither has the stuff to be great pitchers, most likely they will end up as long relievers or back of the rotation starters. Both are expendable.

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As I recall Nova was never a highly regarded prospect either and that looks very short sighted right now. Who knows what Phelps or Warren will turn into, but thanks for your opinion Matt!

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Yeah, just as there were lot of people (some on this board) were drooling over the prospects of Noesi and Brackman. Look how they turned out, Brackman was a total bust and Noesi was used as trade bait just as Warren and Phelps could be.

It’s not just my opinion but the opinion of most scouts who have seen these guys pitch wh say that they are back of the rotation pitchers. Also, not my opinion that they could be used as trade bait, they have been part of trade speculation for the longest time. THAT IS A FACT!!

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Drooling is an exaggeration! And I don’t remember you ever naming those scouts you have access to or providing links to those reports!

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BUSTnett’s signing didn’t have a lot to do with the Yanks WS title. 13 wins and a 4.00+ ERA is ok for the most part, but those weren’t the type of numbers the Yanks were hoping for since they are mediocre for a pitcher who signed a large contract. Yanks could have spent at the very most half of what BUSTnett signed forto get a lesser pitcher and still produce the same type of numbers. Not impressive at all. A change of scenery might do BUSTnett some good but I doubt it. Banuelos and Betances are going to have to earn a trip back to the majors, it’s not going to be handed to them on a silver platter. Booth are going to have to improve their control a lot and show that they can stay healthy, something Betances has never been able to do. Last thing anyone wants to see is for them to end up like complete busts like Brackman who only put together one good season in the minors. He was unquestionably a huge mistake.

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AJ’s performance in the 2009 WS Game two was huge!

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Hmmmmm, as I recall BUSTnett had a chance to clinch the WS title in game 5 of the ’09 WS, but typically imploded by giving up 6 runs in 2 IP. Like I said, BUSTnett didn’t have a lot to do with the Yanks winning the ’09 WS. Nice try Robert but failed again like BUSTnett.

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And that ignores the 14 win regular season contribution which most fans I know consider to be significant! Sure we may have gotten as much or more from another pitcher, but we’ll never know will we?

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13 wins was significant? Pffffffffffftttttttttttt!!!!!!!! It’s a good thing that other GM’s don’t think the same way otherwise we will see 13 game winners being signed to huge contracts only to end up as complete busts like BUSTnett. Try looking at the bigger picture. The Yanks won mainly because of their offense which average 5.65 runs per game in ’09, led the majors in HR’s, second in BA, and first in runs. While the pitching staff was only OK in ’09. I think I remember a few games in which he left trailing and the Yankee pulled his carcass out of the fire.

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Apparently, Crashman’s delusions about BUSTnett are still going strong. This team will have to at lest eat 60-70% of BUSTnett’s remaining contract, anything less than that won’t get any trade done. It’s not likely that BUST nett gets moved to the pen because of his contract. If he does get moved, it’s more likely they move Hughes into the rotation since he is still young, this team still is holding out hope that he develops into the starting pitcher they think he can become, they can’t do that unless they put him in the rotation. Garcia is nearing the end of his career, not really worth the trade off if he is put in the rotation.

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So apparently there is an offer on the table where the Pirates pick up 10 mil but Cashman declined it. Interesting. Hopefully a reasonable deal is reached, not sure how much being publicly told he’s not wanted like this affects Burnett if he doesn’t get moved.

Otherwise maybe the Yanks should consider moving AJ to the pen. Theoretically, his stuff and penchant for unravelling after more than a few innings seems to indicate using him for a couple of innings at a time might make sense. Theoretically, anyway.

I know there are plenty of power righty arms already there, but you can’t send him to AAA. Based on last season, Garcia should be ahead of him for the 5th starter spot and on potential it should be Hughes.

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Maybe they should’ve asked for McCutcheon back.

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To me the Yanks eating only $8M is not likely to get it done. I’ve seen reports lately that suggest eating $25M, particularly if we want a player of any value in return.

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