ALDS Game 5: Yankees vs. Tigers

American League Division Series: Game Five
October 6, 2011 – Yankee Stadium – 8:07 p.m. ET (TBS, WCBS 880 AM)

TIGERS (95-67, 2-2 in ALDS)
Austin Jackson CF
Don Kelly 3B
Delmon Young LF
Miguel Cabrera 1B
Victor Martinez DH
Magglio Ordonez RF
Alex Avila C
Jhonny Peralta SS
Ramon Santiago 2B

Pitching: Doug Fister RHP (0-1, 11.57 ERA in ALDS)

YANKEES (97-65, 2-2 in ALDS)
Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Robinson Cano 2B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Mark Teixeira 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Jorge Posada DH
Russell Martin C
Brett Gardner LF

Pitching: Ivan Nova RHP (1-0, 2.84 ERA in ALDS)

UMPIRES: Ted Barrett HP, Bill Welke 1B, Tony Randazzo 2B, Eric Cooper 3B, Gerry Davis LF (*CC*), Dan Iassogna RF

ON THE BRINK: The Yankees are playing a winner-take-all ALDS Game 5 for the seventh time, and first since their 2005 series loss vs. the Angels…marks the ninth time they will play a deciding Game 5 in a best-of-five format (also 1976 and 1977 ALCS).

*   Are 5-3 all time in Game 5 of a “best-of-five” series, and own an 11-10 record all time in winner-take-all games of a series, which includes a 6-7 mark all-time in Game 7s.

*   With Tuesday’s win at Detroit, are now 8-6 in ALDS games when facing elimination.

*   Marks the fourth time they will play a winner-take-all Game 5 at home, winning each of the previous three: also 1976 ALCS vs. Kansas City – a 7-6 “walk-off” win, 1981 ALDS vs. Milwaukee – a 7-3 win and 2001 ALDS vs. Oakland – a 5-3 win.

LEAN ON MERHP Ivan Nova (who hasn’t lost since 6/3: 13-0, 3.22 ERA) tonight becomes only the second rookie pitcher to make his first postseason start in a winner-take-all game, joining the Phillies’ Marty Bystrom in the 1980 NLCS Game 5 at Houston (Elias)…Bystrom (5.1IP, 7H, 2R, 1ER, 2BB, 1K) did not record a decision in the 8-7, 10-inning Phillies victory.

GO, GO GARDY: LF Brett Gardner has gone 4-for-7 (.571) with runners on base during the 2011 postseason, including 2-for-2 with 4RBI with RISP and two outs.

CAPTAIN CLUTCHSS Derek Jeter has played in seven career winner-take-all postseason games (Game 5s and Game 7s), hitting safely in each contest and combining to go 10-for-29 (.345) with 4R, 2 doubles, 1HR and 4RBI.  

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Hey good time for a group hug. Don’t get too friendly with each other. We will still have differences of opinion but I guess it’s trying to disagree agreeably. Anyway, glad you two made up. It was probably seeknay that was down on Joba and Hughes and I haven’t been too high on them either. Anyway, start with a clean page. Enjoy the off season. Hope Cashman if he gets a new contract can pull off some good deals in the off season to get the Yankees back to the WS again next year.

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IT’s cool itdibo. I can see that mistake happening. Sorry I came down on you so hard about that. Just don’t like people trying to use statements that I never said against me.

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Hey meister have to apologize to you on the Joba and Hughes comments that I attributed to you….I was wrong as I look back, that was another poster…again sorry about that!!! my bad

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Definitely.

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Its not small ball per say…its really just having players that can go first to third, move a runner up…hit a fly when you need it…theres no excuse to lose 3 games by a total of 4 runs…you agree?

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I’m not a fool, I’ve been watching Yankee baseball for 50 years, I’m on 2 other sites regularly commenting with all types of Yankee fans…I not only watch every Yankee game, I have the extra innings package so I watch loads of games…I’m also retired so I have time to enjoy my past time…I love the game….but there is a fine line between winning a game and losing and when a runner stops at third due to a lack of speed and you don’t score and lose 5 to 4…or you can’t bunt runners over and the next hitter hits a fly that would of scored…that causes teams to lose games.
The Giants, which you have used as an example, a lot on here…do not move but one base at a time, they play in a big park where its very hard to hit a long ball…of course they lost a good offensive player in Posey….but they have little or no team speed…they never go from first to third on a hit, they don’t push runners up…I listen to mlb network and thats all they emphasized all year…they don’t steal, nor have anyone who can steal, nor do they bunt well…they basically need 3 hits to score…the year they won the world series…they had people like cody ross hitting hrs…audrey huff was great, this past year he stunk….the cardinals this year, out of it bascially, they get hot for 30 days and they are in the world series now.
So how are me and you going to try to figure this shit out…its baseball…very unpredictable
Andy Pettite is right , things have to fall right for you also…another words a little luck can really help…ya never know…

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After reading your scenario, I really gotta wonder if you do know Yankee baseball, I’m sorry about that. When have the Yankees played small ball. That’s not their game and hasn’t been for a while. The Yanks didn’t lose to Detroit because they can’t play small ball. I don’t know what to say if you do. This team simply isn’t built to play that kind of baseball, these guys are bashers, they aren’t being paid to simply hit singles, bunt the ball, sacrifice when needed etc., etc. That’s not what they are being paid to do. IF that’s what they wanted to do this team would be built more like the Giants who were terrible offensively and couldn’t score runs if their lives depended on it at times. Hmmmm, you think that’s why they didn’t make it to the playoffs? IT is what it is, these guys are bashers who not only rely on singles but they rely on getting extra base hits and HR’s. Don’t blame that fact on why they lost to the Tigers. There are plenty of other reasons why this team lost.

Another reason reason I have a problem with you is that you either put words in my mouth or you just lie about what I say just to try to make a point. KNOCK IT OFF!!! Like I said before that kind of stuff makes you look like a fool and takes from what credibility you have.

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Hmmmmm, more hypocricy here? Not trying to be rude, just making an observation. You’re the only one who takes things personal, by writing post after post complaining about me and what I have to say, and trying to make yourself look like an innocent victim. I’m the one who attacks? Really? Check yourself and while you’re at it check your posts and see who attacks who first, ’cause it ain’t me. It seems you’re the only poster here that I have a problem with, I have never had a problem with anyone else on this board even when I do disagree with them. It’s just you. You think there’s a reason for that? I don’t mind having disagreements with you or anyone else on this board and having healthy discussions about them, ’cause I love talking baseball, but keep your attacks and insults out of them, they just get in the way. I can be the nicest guy in the world to know.

It’s not just the Red Sox fans who say those things, it’s everyone who knows baseball, since it is a FACT, so accept it already. No points for 2nd place either, with this roster everyone expects better results than losing in the WS or losing in the 1st or 2nd Rd of the playoffs or just not making it out of the regular season. Anything less than a with this payroll and with at least 3 future HOFers on this roster, anything less than a WS Title is a complete failure. Again management’s opinions are not written in stone so early in the offseason, no one should hold them to what they say, especially when their are areas of concern on this team especially in the starting rotation, and when a team loses in the 1st Rd of the playoffs management will always be looking to make improvements somewhere, if they don’t they are fools. You act like BUSTnett has done something good while he has been with the Yankees. Look again, he hasn’t. He has never lived up to his contract all anyone has to do is look at his stats and they can see that as FACT. He has never been a good second half pitcher since he has been with the Yankees another FACT>

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Meister heres why its hard to have serious conversation with you…
stop taking everything personal…you are not the GM of the NY Yankees!!!
Heres what red sox fans say all the time
“oh only 1 world series in 10 years”…Yanks have been in more than 1 world series the last 10 years!!!
“who cares what Yankee management says”?…I think their opinion matters more than yours..
“did you take a pole”….what?
maybe you should check “bigbaby.com”…but no you don’t attack fellow Yankee fans..no…who me??
“if granderson hadn’t made that catch”…yeah but he did and Burnett was the winning pitcher….does that hurt you personally…he pitched a nice game…period…and a big must game also..
and no…i do not know what goes on with him in the second half…pitch him the first half than have him come back in sept…I don’t have an answer to that!!!
Your writing paragraph after paragraph, not supporting your contentions but blasting mine…focus on the players…ok if you want to get rid of gardner…Yanks have no and I mean no LF’s in the minors that can replace him…so are you advocating a free agent?..whats your plan…and please don’t say Ibanez again..lol
Heres where we have a differnce of opinion on…and you can’t deny this…but you probably will anyway….theres a big difference in a yankee game or any game if tex, arod and cano all get solid singles with two outs and swisher flies out for no runs….than…if gardner walks batting 9th…jeter singles him to third or gardner steals second and scores on a jeter single…one scenario…3 singles..no runs and the other…1 single and one run…when you lose playoff games to the tigers..5 to 4..3 to 2 and 5 to 3…and then blow them out the other 2 games its probably because guys are trying to hit 3 run homers..and its fine if you get them…now tex, arod and swisher…how many hrs did they get together?…1…just 1…
I think thats really our biggest difference in opinion…having gardner, jeter and grany in the order together can produce..small ball runs….its great if everybody can hit a homer each game…but in the playoffs…doesn’t always happen…and in that sense Gardner fits well on this team…we have power in right and center…and speed in cf and lf..and I kind of like that..also let me remind you we won the world series with chad curtis in left field…so not every position has to be a superstar…and thats just my opinion…and you don’t have to agree
Don’t write another paragraph about how little I know about baseball…its not necessary…just give your opinion and let if go!!!!
Lets try to keep it civil with the comments…not the 4 or so things I listed that you said above…be nice dude…I’m a Yankee fan here..

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hes a bottom of the order hitter on the “Yankees” but not most teams and when Jeter is given a day off…who hits lead off?? Gardner….there are teams that would love to have this guy in CF and hitting lead off…on the Yanks, its a different story though…I would think you would know that…but you have to watch the games…BTW in the playoffs…Gardner had the highest batting ave on the yanks of any player with more than 15 ab’s…412….doing it when it counted…not sept when your 8 games in front?

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There are teams that would love to have Gardner hit leadoff? Really? Good luck to them since this guy is such an inconsistent hitter and has only hit for half a season in each of the past two seasons. His OBP is very average as is his runs scored, even older, slower guys scored more runs than him. Speed doesn’t mean anything when you can’t get on base. Like I’ve said before, most of what he did offensively last season was based on his early season hotstreak, he did nothing outside of that streak. I’ve said many times before that he is not a leadoff hitter on this team if you could read you would know that. Yeah, so he had one good post season series. So what? Don’t wet yourself over that fact, and don’t try to make him into more than what he is. Even A-Rod has had a good post season or two in his career. What does that mean? Absolutely NOTHING as he disappeared again this year. If you looked at the bigger picture you could see that Gardner did pretty much nothing in any of the prior playoff series he has been in.

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Not saying much as they let all their leftys go out of AAA…including jc romero…romero and flores had clauses in their contracts to be released so they could sign with other teams..valdes, who looked pretty good at the end of the year…also let go…they now have no viable/usable lefty in their minor league system..my point, not just flores..every lefty…jc romero was immediately put on another teams roster..again not saying much…just another comment to attack me on a suggestion I had earlier in the year to give another lefty a shot other than..surgical meat tray…I was suggesting a lefty should of gotten that spot is all!!!

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Thanks for finally agreeing with me that he is a bottom of the order hitter and nothing else. just too mbad everything he did offensively was on the back of that early season hot streak, he did nothing outside of that as his monthly hitting stats show.

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Gardner…3rd amongst our “starting 9″ with runners in scoring position this year…286…granted he is not a superstar and he needs to get on more, like the .383 obp in 2010 and 97 runs scored…but he is a bottom of the order hitter, not clean-up and he is a solid player..when he gets on, he changes the game and he has streaks of sb’s when if he gets on its like a double….game changer on the bases…but he must get on more!!

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Boone Logan gets out right handers just as well as lefties. He has a plus fastball. He’s a lefty. He is a big guy so he should be able to log innings. Historically, lefties are aces in pinstripes. Make him a starter—–he has Andy P. type stuff. You still have your relief corp. Find another lefty “specialist”—-you know some guy with a low arm angle hook. Logan, young kid with experience in AL East. Think about it!

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Boone Logan was by far and away the best lefty option in the Yankee organization this season despite having his bouts of problems. This team had Randy Flores but it didn’t think he was an upgrade over Logan as it sent him packing in the first week of August and the Brewers did the exact same thing, his WHIP was 1.50+ way too high for a lefty specialist. Just another player you know who was completely wrong about.

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On Gardner, i understand why he frustrates many of you, but ultimately he’s a solid defender (Yankee Stadium requires essentially to CF’s – one of them to patrol LF) and when he gets on can cause trouble. Now yeah, he didn’t get on enough this season (his OBP was down on his career) but to anyone moaning about him striking out too much you are aware of the fact this season he struck out less than Robinson Cano aren’t you – oh you weren’t?!? Sorry to shatter the illusion. He’s not going to hit 20 homers in a season unless they start using tennis balls for him, but if you expect a full team to mash 20 homers & get minimum of 80 rbi then you’re playing MLB The Show 11! He’s cheap (half a million dollars for what he gives you, c’mon, we spent more on guys who barely showed up, if they did at all!), he’s effective in the field & does a job, even after arbitration this year i don’t expect him to be earning any more than what we’re paying Granderson (who is scandalously cheap at $8m – in baseball terms ofcourse)!
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On Pitching. I’m worried about CJ Wilson, he’s not exactly been setting a stage in the Playoffs, over 8 era, 0-2 and whip of nearly 2! There’s little doubt about his ability to pitch, but he’s still very “inexperienced” as a SP (2 full seasons), no doubt a valid addition to our rotation which needs improving, but worrying stats – although you have to question how much the contract year is playing into that. The guy from Japan, i’m wary of, very wary of – four words for you Kei Igawa, Daisuke Matsuzaka. You could argue that Matsuzaka has atleast flashed some potential, but the other guy, well, i think the less we say about him the better for fear of nightmares over the winter months! We need to be careful not to get stung like that again, just because a guy can pitch in Japan doesn’t have any correlation as to how he’s going to fare when he’s over here and the first batter he faces is a Miguel Cabrera, Jacoby Ellsbury or Adrian Gonzalez. We need to ensure that we have the pieces in place to be able to acquire atleast 2 starters with big league experience – preferrably not of the 9-10 year variety either, closer to 3-5 years. We were fortunate that Garcia & Colon got us as much as they did this year, Colon got gassed through the end of the year though. Too many innings on the clock could wind up stinging us if we’re not careful!
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Thing is that ultimately we’re now licking our wounds – that’s when people tend to be most critical, this ballclub isn’t a complete disaster, we acknowledge we’re getting older in places, could do with stronger pitching but hey, we still won 97 games this season & made the playoffs. Yes we didn’t win the WS – but remember back in the start of March, some people didn’t even give us a shot at making the playoffs, don’t know about you but that to me suggests that hey, we did something. All of that remember was done with the left side of our infield either hurt or slumping, 3 pitchers being consistent & only one player batting 300 – that says that somewhere there was performance coming through. Stats will get you so far, but stats don’t account for heart, desire & will to win, they also take no account of the fact that this isn’t Pittsburgh or Seattle here – everything in New York is much more difficult to deal with! (well, most things – only subway in the world i know that’s simpler than NYC’s is Glasgow, and it only has inner & outer circle :D ) Once the season is done with the management will see what they can do to improve the team – until then, they’re letting the spotlight rest on those who earned it, the Tigers, Rangers, Cards & Brewers. That’s another thing which makes the Yankees what we are, a higher standard – no drama coming out of New York while there’s playoffs under way.

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Allan, Excellent post and I agree with mostly everything you said…we did start in March and lots of experts said we would have trouble making the playoffs and we won the most games in the AL…a few more words on Yu Darvish…he isn’t 25 yrs old yet…darvish and nova together?….dice K and Igawa didn’t have stats in japan anywhere near what this guy has had in 6 years in japan…this past year and I misspoke on an earlier post…he had 321 innings and had 376 strike outs only like 44 walks and his ERA was an eye popping 1.44 and his 6 year era is 1.99…he was 18-6 for the season…neither dice k nor igawa were anywhere near those numbers…so he is legitimately way better than those two, but still a concern on whether he can handle the AL east…which makes colon and garcia’ performances this year all the more impressive…Wilson is an excellent pitcher and he will get paid, we wouldn’t have signed cc if we were worried about a few post season games as he wasn’t very good prior to us signing him in the playoffs either…its too small of a sample…I like a lefty at yankee stadium though…but if darvish is really that good and he just maybe…the side you throw from doesn’t matter much…I’m just hoping yanks don’t do something stupid and trade Montero…so heres the pitchers…darvish, cj wilson, buerhle, lopez, left reliever from SF, jackson hard throwing righty from detroit…top 3 being darvish, wilson and jackson…we will see have a good winter!!!

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Sorry Allen, but no one cares if Cano strikes out more than Gardner. HE’s a far superior player hands down to Gardner who can bash the ball and drive in runs and have a far greater impact than Gardner so everyone is more than willing to take the good with the bad so no ILLUSIONS were shattered, not even close, it’s a whole different story with a one dimensional player like Gardner who won’t come close to the offensive production of most other players’ on the roster. He’s a one-dimensional player and the proof is in the pudding as no one talks about his offense. This team just can’t have a weak hitter who only performs for half a season and pulls a BUSTnett and disappears in the second half.

Agree with you on the Japanese pitchers. Japanese pitchers as a whole have not fared very well as starters in the majors, Darvish would be an extremely expensive risk, would rather see money spent on getting FA pitcher. Here are two more words for you, Hideki Irabu who finished his career with a 34-35 record with a 5.00+ ERA.

Can’t agree with your comments at all about the way this season ended, just more excuses for the failures of this team as a whole. Again, no one CARES how many games this team won, it means ZILCH like I said before. Anything less than a WS ring with a a payroll like the Yankees have is an absolute FAILURE. There’s no such thing as points for 3rd place. Have you ever seen anyone raise three digitd in the air and yell, “Yeah, we’re No.3, We’re the best?Teams play to win championships not to simply see how many games they can win in a season. Unfortunately, heart and desire don’t always make up for a lack of talent, and the talent on this team has been showing some holes in it for the past couple of years, and beyond that even, most likely a big reason why this team has only won 1 WS in 10+ years.

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Doesn’t matter if those other Japanaese pitchers don’t have Darvish’s numbers, they were seen as being the top pitching talent in Japan at the time and Igawa had the awards proved it. Steinbrenner practically gave away the farm just to get Irabu with what was considered the best talent in the minors. We all know what busts they turned out to be. Darvish is no less a risk even though he has better stats. This team would be better off spending money on other areas of the team via FA.

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Yankee management has already said there will be no change in the starting 9 other than inserting Montero for Posada…They are saying, not me, that their main concern is pitching and possibly some fill in players (subs)…The whole talk from Yankee management is should we go for CJ Wilson, we need to sign CC, or should we take a chance on the best pitcher in Japan Yu Darvish, who is a 25 year old, who just came off an incredible season 231 innings…226K’s and a 1.99 Era, he throws as high as 97 and is projected out as about a 3.00 ERA in the Majors. Its a chance, due to the fact not one Japan pitcher has turned out to be dominant pitcher in MLB so far. Some have had a little success, however this kid is a lot younger and most experts think he is a stud….but Wilson has done it for 2 years putting up really good numbers for Texas and is 31 yrs old….so thats the dilemma for Yankee management…Darvish may be more money in the end but 6 yrs younger than Wilson, who projects out to maybe 5 yrs and 85 million, at least….Its is really important we have a few players who are not superstars and making league minimum in order to be able to afford and add free agents as we need them. Mainly pitching…cc 25 mil…maybe wilson at 18 mil…burnett…18 mil..tex 20 mil, cano soon to make 20 mil, arod 32 mil, jeter 17 mill….swisher has a 10 mil option…mo makes 15 mil…cheap players gardner 1/2 mil…martin 4 mil, grandy 8 mil…nova 1/2 mil…montero 1/2mil….20 million times 25 players would give the yanks a 500 million dollar payroll!!!!…so you can’t have a whole team of free agents…yes there are better players for LF and even RF and for the bench…its not economically feasible to do it though…Yanks don’t have position players in the minors ready to come up either, except catcher…Montero is it and he is cheap for the next 6 years…thats why you keep good home grown talent…we need a new core 4 going forward!!!

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yankmeister and itidibo–your twitter names. nor sure of your real names so can’t address you as such. You’ve been back and forth here about Gardner and I can agree with some of both of your arguments. Gardner has been frustrating for me many times this last season. He went through hotter and colder stretches offensively. He has awful at times with RISP. he heated up during the playoffs and made a good contribution, but not consistent through the whole season. I don’t have a knowledge of the stats on Gardner like you have. I can only go on what I observed and felt throughout the season. Gardner is fast. No doubt. He creates havoc on the bases when he chooses to run. At times I felt he should have run and he didn’t. Whether that was his own decision or not I don’t know. I played the outfield well and made some outstanding catches and saved the yankees bacon a few times. The nly fault I have is his inconsistent hitting at the plate. He took way too many strikes. He struck out in critical situations too often and didn’t bring guys on base home. How that works out statistically I don’ know but that was my feel throughout the whole season. Should we keep him? I think yes as a 4th outfielder. I still think we need to get someone else who can play the outfield well but can also hit for power. I think ABreu was that kind of outfielder. Is there someone like Abreu out there available? I don’t know but if there is we should go after him. Where we lost the first round was in managing the team I think going into the playoffs resting too many of the big names. We lost momentum or never gained it in that last series with Tampa. Was did the rest do or Tex and ARod and Swish in th playoffs? Nothing. They were invisible. And of course our starting rotation had some big holes, espeically with Nova not able to go in the 5th game. Noone knew about any forearm inflammation. Was that therebefore the 5th game or did he develop it in the first 2 innings he pitched? Then it was patch work with the relievers from there. But our weak offence killed us ultimatey. Timely hitting just didn’t happen. The big names, and the big salary guys let us down and they should own up to it. They totally dropped the ball at the plate and then it was up to the second tier players to pick up the slack which they weren’t able to do. We should have beat the Tigers. We could have beaten the Rangers because we’ve always played them well in the past. Now in interviews we get from management and players the typical Yada Yada making excuses and saying, “Wait till next year.”. Anyway, that’s my one cent worth to the discussion. Don’t let it get personal guys. I know you’re passionate about baseball and the Yankees but it’s just opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs.

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Crawford has far better power than Gardner hands down and the stats prove it. Putt Putt Gardner will never hit 20 HR’s and it’s unlikely Putt Putt Gardner will hit half of that, nor even reach 60 RBI’s something Crawford has done easily on several times already., that’s a pipe dream. Crawford has a superior slugging percentage and superior OPS to Gardner and, a better BA, that’s all since Gardner became a starter. Crawford has never been an OBP guy so what he’s already been an All STar four times in his career, Putt Putt Gardner will never do that unless his offense rises to the level where his defensive skills are. No one wants a one dimensional player as a starter, so thanks for agreeing with me even though I’ve already made that statement several times, Putt Putt Gardner is no offensive threat.. Crawford has shown that he is capable of scoring 100+ runs that’s something Putt Putt Gardner has yet show he can do, and despite this being a terrible season he was pretty equal to Putt Putt Gardner in hits despite having 50 less PLate appearances. We also know that Crawford is equal to Gardner, if not better, in terms of stealing bases as he has already stolen 50+ bases 4 times in his career while Putt Putt Gardner has yet to steal as many as 50 in a season once.

Your lack of insight into Yankee baseball and baseball in general is really making you look like a joke and a half, but at least you’re worth the money.

Having Gardner’s speed has really made a difference, like I’ve said before it’s nice to have speed, that’s why I’ve said this team needs to get younger hoping to get faster on the basepaths and more athletic, but it’s not the most important thing to have and that’s not Yankee baseball. The Yankees haven’t relied on speed to be successful in baseball. They have relied on bashing the ball to score runs and win games. IT doesn’t need a line up of punch and judy hitters which has to rely on small ball just to score, the Giants have already proven that type of game doesn’t work. I also never said to sign an All-Star at every position, Willingham and Kubel won’t break the bank and aren’t All-stars.

This team doesn’t take walks? It won’t steal a base? AS usual you are completely WRONG on all counts, at least you are consistent. The Yankees led the majors in BB’s and have failed to finish in the Top 10 in BB only 4 times since 1991. So you are WRONG!! The Yanks finished 4th in the majors in SB’s this year and have finished in the Top 12 in every since 2000. So WRONG again. The Yanks have finished in to TOP 10 in runs since 1991. They’ve finished in the TOp 10 in HR’s every since 2000. They’ve finished in the Top 10 in team BA in every year except 1, and only failed to finish in the Top 10 in total hits only 3 times since 1999. Offens isn’t about guys who can turn singles into doubles or triples, especially the Yankee offense. It never has been and obviously it has worked for them. It’s the strong bats that teams prefer over speed guys, always has been and always will be. What have the Yanks done since Putt Putt Gardner became a starter? Finishe 3rd and lost in the first round of the playoffs.

Not only do your arguments for Gardner have holes in them they just completely lack any type of basis to them.

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Yanks averages starters…
Jeter…. 297….risp….259
Grandy .262….risp… 242
cano… 303….risp… 318
Arod.. 276….risp….305
Tex.. 248….risp….268
swish.. 260….risp….246
martin… 237….risp….248
posada..235 risp… 188
gardner.259….risp… 286
nunez….265….risp… 324
jones…..247….risp… 349
chavez…415….risp….415

Gardner is not even close to being the “weakest hitter on the team”

Gardner…1 % pt from being 4th highest on the team in BA…also…he was 3rd on the team hitting with runners in scoring position…and #1 in our hearts…
The case on Gardner is closed, I will take Brett the Jett on this team any day of the week….Young, under team control, and even after an off season of sorts for him, still a force both on the base paths and in LF….Wedon’t need another superstar from another team…Brett can handle NY and is home grown!!!…Love the guy and he hustles his ass off!!!

More statements by Yankeemeister….”debunked”…lmao

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I guess when I exposed you as the resident liar on this board I made you delusional too. Sorry about that. Still comparing Putt Putt Gardner’s BA to backups like Nunez, Jones, Chavez,and Posada. Who is crazy enough to compare starters’ stats to backup stats and to those of old players whose careers are almost done? OH you are I guess. Talk about DESPERATE!!!I already made case about Tex over Putt Putt, the exact same thing for guys like Cano, A-Rod, JEter, and Posada. Like I said before Putt Putt Gardner’s stats are due to his early season hot streak. He will never come close to the offensive abilities of those players I just named not even like he will hit 10 HR’s. Once again I make a mockery of itdiotbo’s arguments about Putt Putt. He makes it soooooooo easy, with his shortsightedness,and his narrow views on everything baseball.

Hey itdiotbo, why don’t you just MARRY Putt Putt Gardner, oh wait, there’s that BUSTnett issue. Well if the Yanks trade BUSTnett to ATlanta you can alwayas move there.

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Again with the constant nastiness on this board…why?…the constant attacks against me for just voicing a disagreement..and backing my points up with stats to prove what I’m claiming….this all out assault and nastiness to other yankee fans you’ve been warned about before and its been going on for quite some time now…all I did above was list our starting 9, I use the term “our” because I’ve always kind of doubted you were a Yankee fan…but nonetheless…they are the averages…If you do some research and look at the opinions of scouts on Gardner you would find that they agree with me more than you…Burnett is another story and I don’t quite know what his problem is, at times he can shut teams down, like he did the red sox and tigers his last 2 starts and other times he can’t pitch 5 innings with an 11 run lead??…complete mystery with him, I will give you that…You cannot deny that early in the year, again as I pointed out to you with stats, he could of had more wins than he had…You were very silent those last 2 starts including the most important game of the year, where he pitched a really nice game and was the winner, prolonging our season…deaf silence then, I noticed.
Its not the discussion and disagreement on Yankee players, that can always happen but the nastiness and attacks on Yankee fans which is not right.
You seriously need some sort of anger management program!!!
You almost post on here like your looking for an argument…I don’t get it.
Big deal, so I think Gardner is a good player and you don’t…get over it, no big deal.
Most posters on here agree with me and BTW, Yankee management says there will be no changes to the starting 9…and that includes Gardner!!!..so they disagree with you also.
You are not in the majority on your opinions on this player…but I get it…you think he sucks.
One other point…he is usually among the leaders in triples..8 this year along with 5 hrs…13 hits of a triple or more… and lead the league in stolen bases…great defensive left fielder…facts!!!
Calm down take some tranquilizers and have a beer…all will be ok…relax!!!

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SHEEEESSSSSHHHHHH!!!!! You just proved yourself a complete liar and delusional once again. YOU’RE the one with all the attacks on this board simply because I send your WEAK arguments crashing and burning to EARTH. I guess that’swhy you have to back your WEAK arguments with complete lies. Like I said your lack of insight into the Yankees and baseball in general just leaves you really LACKING as a real fan. Gotta doubt you even know facts when you see them I guess that’s why I can descredit your PATHETIC arguements. The scouts only agree with you about his speed and his D, nothing else, azctually those things weren’t exactly secrets when he first came up. They aragree with me about him as a hitter as do the stats, he is nothing more than an average hitter who disappears after half a season.

You were also completely wrong about BUSTNETT from the beginning. Who cares how he did in the first half? It’s how he did in the second that counts more. You were the one who extrappilated his numbers over the course of the season and thought he would win 16 games. LMAO!!!!!! How’s that theory working out for you now? How dumb you must feel. If you ACTUALLY looked at his career numbers with the Yankees you would have seen he is a terrible second half pitcher, Exactly where were you when he struggled almost the entire 2nd half of the season, hiding under your rock with your tale between your legs? Who cares how many games BUSTnett “could’ve” or “should’ve” won in the first half. Exactly how many games did he win overall? How many games did he even win in the second half? If you even knew anything about sports, you would know could haves and should haves mean SQUAT. It’s only the final results that count. Who cares about his final two starts? He was lucky to even get out of the 1st inning, if Grandrson hadn’t made that catch he would have been toast and most likely you would have scurrying off under your rock again.

Most posters agree with you? LMAO!!!!!!! Dang I almost broke a rib laughing at that comment. When did you take a pole? JEEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!! Yeah, look who needs help. You really need to get over yourself and do something about that “know-it-all” attitude, it really is making you look like a joke.

Who the heck cares what Yankee management is saying NOW. If you knew anything about Yankee history you would know that’s not even written in stone. No team should be held to what they say only a couple of weeks after the end of a season. That’s just dumb. You also don’t read other posts as well, since most of them agree with me that Gardner is nothing more than a 4th Ofer nothing more.

Here’s another fact you missed he failed to even hit .250 in the 2nd half of the season, and his OBP fell. One good post season series means nothing A-Rod has proven that. What did Gardner do before this past post season? Oh nothing.

These whiny, long winded cry baby posts of yours aren’t just nauseating, they senselessly take up space on this board while saying nothing. Quit making yourself look like the victim when it’s YOU who always starts the trouble. Yeah, we know you’re going to lie about so don’t waste your breath. These type of posts of yours are really getting tiresome. If you can’t take what others say when they flame your weak arguments then you have no business posting on these boards, just get off.

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you might want to try bigbaby.com

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I doubt that will help with your lack of insight into baseball in general or all things Yankees.

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Gardners is not the weakest hitter in the line-up….Where do you get this stuff?….Did you even watch any games this year?
I don’t mind having an “adult” discussion with ya but please clarify what you are trying to say, other folks are reading this behind the scenes and chuckling at you.
If I didn’t know better (and maybe i don’t)…I might think you are messing with me?
Martin…230?
Posada…220?
Tex……248?
Plus 2 or 3 other hitters that were around .260 like Gardner….you sure you want to stick with “the weakest hitter on the team hitter”?…come on you are sh*tting me right?

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OMG!!!!! LMAO!!!!! Gardner isn’t the weakest hitter in the lineup? PLease tell us you aren’t using BA’s solely to back up this weak statement. Tell us you aren’t desperate enough to compare a starter in Gardner to the BA of a benchplayer like POsada who is on his last leg as a player and will most likely be gone and retired. Please tell us you aren’t that desperate!!! Please give us some hope. Please tell us you have more than mere BA’s to back this weak comment up. WE don’t want to have to pity you.

Tex is a weaker hitter than Gardner? JEEEZ!!! Even though he is struggling and is regressing as a hitter he is still a superior hitter than Gardner. Tex still has the ability to make an impact on any game with just one swing of the bat. He still can drive in ton of runs by the buttload despite being a flawed hitter. Teams still have to be extremely cautious when he comes to bat. No one can say the same about Gardner.

As for MArtin, he won’t hit for a high average but at least he has better power than and is capable of driving in more runs.

Your FAULTY MEMORY has made you forget that most of Gardner’s offensive numbers are mostly due to that early season hot streak he went on. Outside of that hot streak he did nothing with the bat. Here’s what PUtt Putt Gardner has done on a monthly basis BA-wise:

2010:

March/April .323
May .286
June .383
July .221
Aug. .247
Sept/ Oct. .231

2011:

March/April .188
May .301
June .317
July .289
Aug. .226
Sept./Oct. .219

Anyone with half a brain (obviously you don’t qualify) can see for themselves that Putt Putt Gardner disappears in the second half just as your boyfriend BUSTnett does. Gardner a strong hitter? LMAO!!!!!! Half a season maybe but when it comes to the second half of the season when it counts most he is a failure.

Speaking of BUSTnett, how’s you theory about him working out for you? You were the one who said he WASN’T a bust and extrpolated his number claiming he would win 16 games. I thought you would pee your pants or at the very least marry him, but I guess that won’t happen now. Still choking on those words??

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“When it counts”…like in the playoffs when it was just him and Cano driving in the runs..did you forget the 2 run 2 out game tying double vs Verlander in Detroit…or the 2 run 2 out single in New York that lead to a 6 run inning..how about his ave in the playoffs for these 5 games….”when it counts”…give me a break…get off your salt box and go away!!!!…Yanks were up by 8 games in September…who cares!!!!…your losing it now!!!..start looking at everything…obp..sb’s triples hrs..runs scored from the 9th spot, lead the league in sb’s..best defensive left fielder in the league, 1 dimensional player…yeah right pal…(go on the red sox site and here them talk about stinky ass Crawford)…your boy!!…check the metrics on Gardner…and not just errors…standing in 1 spot left fielders don’t count…Ibanez..OMG

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Yeah he has had one good post season series. What did he even do in the other post season series he was in prior to this one. oh that’s right nothing. one good series doesn’t make him anything more than he is a mediocre hitter. dang if you knew anything about baseball one good series means nothing.

Yeah Gardner’s OBP was mediocre, even the slower, older players in the league scored more runs than he did. His HR totals are pathetic for a corner OFer. The mere fact that all you can do is talk about his defensive skills proves he is one-dimensional. Exactly what did he do in the second half of this season…..yeah right nothing. What did he do in the second half of last season? Nothing. Get help for your delusions already.

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When I say better LFers, I’m saying they are better all around players than Gardner. Unlike you, I don’t just look at one aspect of a player’s skills. All those players I listed are definitely better LFers than Gardner, and I’m just not talking defensively.

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Raul Ibanez is a better left fielder defensively than Brett Gardner!!!…In your dreams…pal…not even close…Ibanez is a butcher in LF, wait and see how fast the Phillies let him go if you don’t believe me….he sucks!!!

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Theres a poster on here that thinks a high fielding percentage means you are a good fielder?…What world does he live in?…So if you stay put in one place and never get to a ball, then you never get an error….Brett Gardner gets to balls in LF that other fielders couldn’t only dream to get near, he gets a great jump and also is the fastest player in the AL…Reports from scouts and nearly every sabermetric stat points to Gardner being number 1, not only this year but last year…Also, to post that speed does not affect games…just watch the Texas Rangers who not only hit but have players with good to great speed…andrus, young, beltran, hamilton, kinsler, etc can all run real good….pitchers throw fastballs when a speedster is on first and they think he is going to steal and it completely changes the game…Anybody that doesn’t know this, doesn’t watch many games or just likes to post contrary nonsense!!!

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Dang!!!! What brand of glue do you sniff? So what if Gardner gets to balls no one else can. Most teams prefer LFers who can hit and are capable defensively in LF over the one-dimensional guys who are nothing but 4th OFers. IF we go by your logic, Gardner will be the highest paid player in baseball pretty soon. Pffffft!!!!! Yeah right, teams pefer defensive guys with mediocre bats over big bats that’s why we see guys like A-Rod and Tex, and Josh Hamilton, and Albert Pujols signed to big contracts and teams killing themselves in bidding wars to get them. Hmmmmm, when was the last time that happened over a player like Gardner? Oh that’s right, never.

Speed can effect the outcome of games, but having a lineup full of power bats (at 2+) like the Yankees and Rangers have has far more impact than having speed. Chances are the Rangers would be where they are right now even without speed. These type of lineups can change the outcome the lineup from top to bottom with every AB for 9 full innings. I guess it’s just our imagination that most of the teams currently playing in the playoffs rank near the bottom in stolen bases, just as it is our imagination that SB’s have been dropping for years, Iguess it’s just our imagination the Yankees have won the majority of the WS titles without a true speed guy like Gardner, as have other teams in major league history. Nope most teams can live without a speed guy, andhave been successful at it just as the Giants were last season when they ranked at the bottom in SB’s.

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I also guess it’s our imagination that it’s the guys with the big bats who ALWAYS get the big contracts and have teams involved in bidding wars as they are the ones with the most potential to change games with one swing of the bat. You rarely see that with speed guys with weak bats like Gardner.How much more obvious do these facts have to be? Put that bottle of glue down and slowly step away from it for your own sake.

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Gardner was in LF in 2009 and we were world champions…nobody is comparing Gardner to Albert Pujols…relax…we can afford to have one player with speed and a solid defensive player, he doesn’t have to be Josh Hamilton….Your argument above seems to say that unless a player is highly paid he is not worth keeping?..Theres this thing called arbitration that allows teams to control players…Gardner made $455,000 this year as a starting lf on the ny yankees…they do not have to pay him any sort of money except league minimum until he is arbitration eligible…the other outfielders you mentioned are free agents or soon to be..big difference….On most teams he would be in centerfield and hitting lead off….But because you just study stats and obviously don”t watch the games, you’ve probably never heard that “pitching and defense win games”…Gardner is one of the premiere LF’s in baseball defensively and he was our “only” clutch hitter in the playoffs other than Cano…..now do you want to compare Gardner to Hank Aaron? lighten up on Gardner, hes not why we are not playing now…I can give you a list of game saving catches hes made, most go unnoticed like the catch he made vs the Sux that saved CC’s only win, nobody in the league catches that ball…saved the game…and you won’t find it in the box score..enough said…hold onto Gardner…good player!!!

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Wow!!! I think you completely missed my point if that’s what you got out of what I just said. I wasn’t talking about arbitration, contracts, FA, etc., etc. I was only analyzing Gardner as a starting LFer and commenting on the type of player he is and how he stacks up to other LFers. He would be leading off for most teams? Uhhhhh now I know you’re dreaming, he couldn’t even win the leadoff spot with this team, and it wasn’t because of some idiotic theory that this team “favors” Jeter. There’s a little something called inconsistent offense, mediocre OBP, too many SO’s, an inability to score runs, but since you OBVIOUSLY ignore facts, I wouldn’t expect you to know that. Not only did he disappear in the second half, he really hadn’t done anything in the post season prior to this year. Don’t lose it over ONE series, it proves NOTHING.

OF course pitching and defense wins games, but you don’t have to have a “defensive whiz” on a team. There were plenty of examples where the offense pulled out victories as well, especially when BUSTnett was pitching.

I’m not saying you need big contracts on a team to be successful, but you do need solid offensive players to win. This years Giants are a good example of that. Gardner is a good defensive player, but there are good offensive upgrades who are decent defensively and that’s what most managers are looking for not the one dimensional player Gardner is. Speed doesn’t matter if he can’t get on base, a good neutralizer to that problem.

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Gardner has more value as trade bait along with a prospect as part of a trade package to get another pitcher. The state of the pitching staff is highly questionable. There’s no way this team will use a prospect as part of the rotation, most of them are not ready. He’s definitely expendable.

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The theory that teams can afford to have at least one weak hitter in the lineup has been debunked before. It’s only true if no one goes into a slump or gets injured. Who will rely on the weakest hitter in the lineup to take-up the offensive slack. Gardner is the weakest hitter in this lineup, having him hit leadoff would be completely insane.

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Crawford…..7 years and126 million…has never hit 20 hrs, his lifetime obp is less than Gardners?
His defensive metrics…less than Gardners?
I hope that answers sufficiently your statement and/or question of
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Nearly the same player…BA..about the same Gardner was higher most of year…sb’s to Gardner…defensive stats to Gardner, don’t know what happened to crawford but his defense sucked this year…obp gardner…garder may have scored more runs also…he had 87, haven’t looked up crawfords runs….in the long hall crawford is going to be better…with more power, not a lot though (11hrs)…and rbis…what like 60?….but I hope this info anwers your question above….teams love guys who are both defensive and offensive threats…not just a one dimensional hr hitter…werth is a good example also….140 million..good field, arm, fast, power rbi’s…but he hit .230..20 hrs…maybe 70 rbis…sheesh…sb’s what 20 maybe?….your focusing on the only speed we have on the team and saying we don’t need it…yeah but its another 10 to 15 million a year….so go ahead sign Beltran and put him in left and make gardner the 4th outfielder…but you can spend 300 million on all stars at every position…just don’t cry and moan on here when you need 3 hits to score in an inning because nobody goes 2 bases on a hit, or will steal a base or take a walk…

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The more i look at it the less “possible” it becomes to reward the best team in the league with a bye. Looking at it logically you need 2, 4 & 8 teams involved in the current WS/CS/DS set up, with a bye for the best record you’d then need 2, 3, 6 teams involved to qualify for each series.
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Now what you could do is say the following, 2 division winners (not counting best record) & 4 “wildcard” from each league gives you your 6 teams for the “LDS”, so you’d then add 3 WC over and above what we currently have. Sounds easy right? Well unfortunately hello to the AL East – the liklihood is that we’d have 3 teams from the AL East barring either excellent seasons elsewhere or an absolute disaster of a season from either the afforementioned teams. The second part of this is that you’d then have nearly half the league in the playoffs – talk about trivialisation, it’d basically wind up a case of you’d REALLY have to blow to not make the playoffs.
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But if you did go with that, you’d then have 6 teams playing in the LDS, who then plays the team with the best record? Do you draw lots, base it on the best division winner (what if the current wildcard has a better record than the other division winners) – it’s a nightmare. Then you have a secondary issue – say the LDS goes 5 games, that means the team with the best record in baseball has been sitting a whole week – that just wouldn’t work.
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It’s not viable to give anyone a bye, nor is it viable to add any more wildcard teams for fear of cheapening the playoffs, at best even if you want to add a round for the WC we currently have (possible if you shorten the season by 2 weeks+) you’d still have to add a “wildcard” play-in. Say a 3 game set with the best record of those two teams having home advantage and again, hello Tampa & Boston, i know i hark back to the same point, but the AL East is the division of death compared to the others!
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Like i said, this is why MLB pays a guy more money than i’ll ever earn to figure it out – but hey Mr. Selig, if you feel like using this idea, drop me a line, i’m more than happy to be flown out to MLB’s office to discuss it!

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There probably is some way to mathematically reduce the number of games (forgive me, my maths is worse than Ramiro Pena’s batting average!) but it’s too early in the morning for me to consider it in much detail.
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There’s an obvious way which would upset people and that would be to lose teams, something that would be bad for baseball in my opinion. I suppose you could equalise the number of games against each opponent to 8 (4 home, 4 road) but that would then take out the divisional rivalries – which again, bad for baseball.
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then again, i’m just a retailer, Selig pays someone the better part of a million dollars to figure that out, if he’s gonna insure me, drag me over to league offices & pay me half that then i’ll go into it in detail – until then, i’ll let that lackey earn his money unlike the one in Boston :D

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RGM…agree… should be some sort of advantage for a team that has the best record in an entire league or in all of baseball..let teams fight to get this distinction.
If you have the best record in an entire league, other than home field, what scheduling advantage is there? They can still shorten spring training or start earlier here in Florida, its nice all year here…

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Allan: Thanks for your comment. Could we not shorten the regular season and start the post season earlier so we’d be into the world series by the last week in October? I still don’t think a short series for teams that finish first in their division is fair or good for baseball. Any team can win in a short series. Where’s the reward for finishing first in your division? I’m sure scheduling could be worked out of MLB and owners agreed to the principle. Anyway, they’re not going to listen to the fans, to you and me anyway, so we’re just speculating “what if”. Actually today here in Toronto Canada it is 80 degrees and sunny.

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Problem with that is that it’d add another postseason series, which would destroy the point in playing the season the week earlier like it did this year – in turn ensuring the World Series would almost always run into November. I’m no weatherman, but in the North East in November it’s cold & wet at times – not exactly condusive to good baseball weather! Plus you have another factor, there’s 6 divisions, if you give them all a bye week then you’d find it won’t work mathematically as you’d have 3 matches from each league – 3 teams can’t play in 1 game.
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What i would be in favour of would be adding WC in each league & giving the team with the best record in each league a bye, but again you’d run into scheduling problems. (damn the weather & the NFL!)

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One more comment/observation a I think about it. Why not give the teams that win their division a bye in the first round of the playoffs as a reward for finishing 1st and let the wild card teams play it out in the first round best of 5. In a short series any team can win and the winner of the division and with the most wins in the league can be beat out by the wild card team. It makes more sense to me to eliminate the wild card teams first and then let the division leaders play off best f 7. With this present system already Phillyand the Yankees are out of the playoffs. Not good for baseball or for revenue moving forward to the world series. Has this ever been considered? it’s done in other sports. Anyone want to comment/add to this? Is it worthy of consideration by MLB commissioner and the owners of the major league teams for the future?

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Willingham and Kubel are horrible outfielders compared to Gardner and you never mentioned swisher who has been bad in every playoff the last 3 years…1 for 32 or something with runners in scoring position and he is a really a slow runner on the bases..Gardner had a great series…I was hoping we would get faster, not slower on the bases…neither of the two above can move on the bases…speed and defense win games also…chavez will be arod’s caddie for at least next year…who else is there really?…we won 97 games and a lot of them were with either chavez or nunez playing third, they filled in at least adequately…This team won the most games in the AL, it needs minor tweaking not a huge overhaul, never happen…I don’t see Cashman going anywhere either, but I may be wrong…I love the fact he hasn’t given away potential talent, tired of seeing our pitchers end up on other rosters…Bottom line, the teams that hit and pitch in the playoffs win, but any team can knock off another in a short series, 1 hot pitcher and he beats ya twice and they only need one other win…thats it season over…if anything they should have all 7 games series’, not 5…we want the best to have a shot in october, not a team that gets lucky a few games…Gardner is not going anywhere, best leftfielder in the AL, #1 in SB’s and #1 in defensive war and total zone runs, metrics which analyze defensive data, he also is normally in the top 10 in OBP, this year he was .345, which was below the year before when he was 8th in the whole laegue (.383 obp), agree he needs to improve bunting and getting on base, but the speed is needed on this team…base to base baseball is really hard to watch…do you think gardner or nunez would of scored from second on Posada’s hit, for example….instead of slow arod?
Agree with a possible trade, we have some chips, and I like CJ Wilson, Jackson can be a bit wild but is also quality #2 or #3, could make a big difference, but I love CJ Wilson, gives ya lots of innings and is tough and is a lefty which would play well vs the red sox…have a great winter all…

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Willingham and Kubel are terrible outfielders compared to Gardner? Based on what? Both Willingham and Kubel have almost the same fielding pecentage as Gardner. Both also have near identical OBP to Gardner’s as well. So Gardner is NOT a better OFer than Willingham nor Kubel. The big difference is that both have far better HR power at the plate and can drive in far more runs than Gardner. Gardner is not a consistent hitter as we saw this season as he pretty much disappeared in the second half and lost AB’s to other hitters for the second straight season. Speed is nice to have but it DOESN’T win games nearly as much as hitters who have power and can drive in runs like Kubel and Willingham. It is NOT a prerequisite to be able to hit with men in scoring position to be a good lead off hitter getting on base consistently is and Gardner can’t do that as he ranks well down on the list in the majors when it comes to OBP and he doesn’t near enough runs to be an effective leadoff hitter ranking only 32 in runs scored.

Yeah right having speed is so important in order to be successful!!!!! Not!!!! That has been proven the case time and time again throughout history, The Yanks have never relied on speed to be successful in the past and won’t need to in the future. Gardner is OBVIOUSLY a 4th OF who is a one-dimensional offensive player who relies on speed to be successful and nothing else. This team finished 4th in the majors in SB’s and yet where it got them.while three of the 4 remaining teams in the playoffs ranked near the bottom in SB’s. Yeah right, teams need speed to be successful. ALSO, big whoop dee doo!!!!! The Yanks won the most games in the AL. WE all see how much means………SQUAT!!!!!! You play to win championships not win the most number of regular season games. I would gladly trade those 97 wins with either Detroit or Texas for a shot at the WS.

Gardner is the best LFer in the AL, hardly. Sorry, but stolen bases and defense alone don’t define who the best LF is. I’m sure there are more than enough teams around who would agree that guys like Josh Hamilton, Alex Gordon, Ryan Braun, Raul Ibanez (the last three ranked higher than Gardner defensively according to the sabremetrics stats), Carl Crawford, Carlos Gonzalez, Matt Holliday, Jason Bay, Vernon Wells are far superior LF to Gardner not just offensively, but defensively as well. Shoot even in his worst offensive season, Crawford was still just as good as Gardner offensively. IF we were to pretend that all those guys were FA’s this year Gardner’s name most likely wouldn’t even be mentioned at the top of that list, or as a part of it. There’s a reason why SB’s have been on the decline since the beginning of the 90′s, like I said having guys who have good speed and can steal bases aren’t going to win you games like the guys I just listed. SB’s are such a small part of major league offenses around the league almost all team can live without a base stealer. There’s also a reason why guys like those I just listed and guys like Willingham and Kubel will always have more value over a player like a player like Gardner, they generate offense with their bats and teams don’t mind it if their gloves aren’t the best, they will still go after them. A player like Gardner will never make big bucks in this league and will be an after thought, especially when they are one-dimensional offensively.

Also, FYI, before this season Gardner did nothing in the post season going 7 for 40 before this series against Detroit, not much better than Swish. He has one good post season and someone loses it.

HA! I knew I would get the last word in on the 2011 season.

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Agreed, anything less than a WS Title with this roster is nothing but failure. Having won the most games in the AL is meaningless it still adds up to failure. Also agree about the pitching staff. JAckson and Wilson would be good additions, with Hughes still being questionable as a starter, and Burnett continually proving to be a failure and both Colon and Garcia both not getting past the 5 and 6th innings, it would be absolutely ludicrous to expect a pitcher like Garcia to repeat what he did thisseason at his age. The problem is all those pitchers I just named are nothing better than a No.5 starter, that’s too many on one staff.

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There is some talk of Burnett for Derek Lowe….then add Wilson…I think the Yanks have to make a decision because Beltran is also available, maybe a little more than Swisher in money…Ivan Dejesus is out there as a 4th outfielder coming off a down year..Montero needs more at bats this season…we need to set our big 3 pitchers…then let maybe a minor leaguer get a shot, garcia and hughes (or Lowe)…I think if Hughes comes back strong he could be #4, Garcia as a #5 would be fine…he has won 12 games each of the last 2 seasons and add a good lefty reliever…also maybe a utility infielder, veteran type would be nice…Yanks could make a number of moves this off season…we will see…Gardner is the best LF in baseball defensively….all the metrics show that…if you want to argue about his offense, fine, but not defensively…his offense stats also beat Crawfords, who had a miserable season…don’t forget thats a big LF in yankee stadium….Kubel would be good for RF though and would be a threat in the stadium with the porch…neither Kubel nor Willingham are defensive players, most would consider them poor or below average…not that I wouldn’t want them on the team…both are very slow on the base paths…Kubel probably a better hitter and Willingham with more power…Can’t believe you put Raul Ibanez in as a good leftfielder….as he drops the mike and rolls on the floor…lmao

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HA! I knew you couldn’t find an entry where I said to get rid of Joba and Hughes. Why? Because I never said that. Having a faulty memory or making things up on this board or any board to make your arguments look better won’t score you any points, just make you less credible.

A BUSTnett for Lowe trade is nothing more than a garbage for garbage deal. The only upside to that is that Yanks unload BUSTnett and his joke of a contract. However, getting a 38 year old pitcher who just lost 17 games and is pretty much done as a pitcher scares me like crazy. If the Yanks had gotten Lowe a few years ago, then I would have no problem with Lowe on this team. Maybe Yanks should hold off until they can find something better. Crawford’s offensive stats were worse than Gardner’s, hardly, he hit more HR’s and drove in more runs than Gardner.

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Even though this year was his worst year offensively, Crawford would have still been worth the gamble. He is just as capable , if not more so, of stealing bases than Gardner is as he has proven in the past, and hands down is a far superior offensive player than Gardner. Judging a player in just one phase of the game is no way to judge a player. Anyone with half a brain knows that you look at them in terms of their all around ability. Gardner may be a better fielder than most LFers but then again, the Yankees don’t need a defensive in LF. IF they have a strong bat and are capable defensively (like Willingham and Kubel are)then the Yanks would and should take them, as any team would. Any team would take a lesser glove if it means getting a powerful bat for the lineup.

Unfortunately, Gardner isn’t a consistent hitter, doesn’t get on base enough and doesn’t score enough runs to be a legit leadoff hitter. Gardner is nothing more than a one-dimensional player, hence he is more of a 4th OFer. No one in their right mind would consider that type of player amongst the best at their position.

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Another dissapointing end to another season. Just because a team has big names to go with big contracts along with plenty experience, it doesn’t guarantee you anything. No one should be surprised that either Tex and A-Rod disappeared in the post season, both have done that on a regular basis.Like I said earlier in the season plenty of old teams don’t success, older doesn’t mean better, experience can only take a team so far. It’s obvious this team definitely needs to start getting younger in the offseason starting with the rotation. Colon pitched well most of the season, but looked gassed in the end, time to say bye-bye
Coloon. Team should also say goodbye to Garcia as well as he gets up in age. Both are nothing more than short term quick fixes, bringing either back woud be foolish. CJ wilson and Edwin Jackson are two of the better choices here. If they can’t get a pitcher via FA then trade one or a couple of the better pitchers in the minors for a guy like Jair Jurjjens. Most of those guys aren’t better than middle of the rtation types so it won’t be big loss, just as long as it isn’t Betances or banuelos

Depth at SS will be challenge as there is nothing beyond Jeter at SS. Nunez has a terrible glove, as he had more errors than Jeter did in far less starts and far fewer chances, obviously range doesn’t mean a thing if you can’t field. But in general depth on the infield is a bit thin. Chavez needs to go he is still one of the most injury prone players in baseball and is apt to miss out on significant playing time to injury just he did this year and previous years.

As for the OF there needs to be a change from a guy like Gardner who is an inconsistent hitter who strikes out too much, can’t get on base enough, nor scores enough to be a decent leadoff hitter. He isn’t. He is nothing more than a No.4 OF. Even though he is a flawed leadoff hitter Jeter needs to remain at that spot in the lineup, and this team needs to get a guy like Jason Kubel or Josh Willingham to replace him in the field.

Most of all the most important change that needs to be made is to fire Cashman. Winning 1 WS in 10+ years with a budget that is constantly at or above $200 million is absolutely inexcusable, and intolerable. He has this team on th wrong track and a change definintely needs to be made.

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get younger?…the whole starting 9 is 32 or less?(except jeter and arod)…your comments here gets rid of gardner( signed cheaply) in left, our fastest and best defensive player(also best in AL), the general manager, starters # 3 and #5, the back up infielder for 3rd base, 6 time gold glover and I guess also banishes Nunez, a 23 year back up infielder under the guise that we are getting younger?…We know you don’t like Burnett, so thats 60% of the starting staff!!! Also, starting pitchers we’ve never seen at AAA , somehow are nothing more than middle of the rotation starters at best? Do you mean like 24 yr old Ivan Nova who was also considered to be middle of the road…How do you know all this?….also, if 35 years old is your cut off age as in Garcia, who was 12-8 with 3.5 ERA, then I guess the Phillies can put Halladay/Oswalt on waivers/get rid of em.
And also, loads of other pitchers in baseball…
You have also stated in the past to get rid of Hughes(25) and Joba(26)?…Who may I ask is going to start these games.
And I also want to remind you that we had the best record in the AL and rested our players the last 3-5 games, probably could of won 100 if we wanted and would of put us tied with the Phillies for the best record in all of baseball…
Even at that, Arod was hurt most of the year, our clean-up hitter…
Why is it your opinion that nearly the entire team needs to be dismantled?
You never mention Swisher, who has been awful 3 playoff series in a row? But more importantly he has a 10.5 million dollar option that needs to be exercised or he is a free agent.
Yanks have control of Gardner for a few more years?
Have you considered Micheal Cuddyear for right field who has a cannon of an arm and is a pretty damn good hitter with risp? plus has as much power as Swisher and is more versatile, I’ve seen the Twins play him literally all over the filed!!..
Cashman had his team on the “wrong track?”…Again, they won the most games in the AL!!!
Playoff baseball, as Andy Pettite (who retired at 39 yrs old and was still good) said “you need to have a little luck as well as talent”.
Don’t go all crazy over a 3-2 playoff series loss…nothing is guaranteed in the playoffs…its a crapshoot!!!
Sign CJ Wilson and we will be fine….CC, CJ and Nova…maybe do something with Swisher, either keep him or get Cuddyear…thats all we need…Our outfield was #1 in baseball…speed and good to great arms…loved the defense..
Have a great winter!!!

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When I said get younger, I didn’t mean all at once, that’s not going to happen considering all the huge contracts and old injury prone players on the roster. Don’t just look at the starters, look at the backups as well. Jones is well past his prime, as is Chavez, who is one of the more injury prone players in baseball, he missed considerable time in the first half of the season, that could have happened in the second half just as easily, you just don’t know with injuries. IT’s just insane to back up old injury prone players like A-Rod with the same type of player in Chavez. A-Rod has seen better days as well and continues to disappear in the postseason just as he did this year. Yeah right, old age helped this team there. Jeter has seen better days and is a flawed leadoff hitter, there is nothing behind him at the SS position either so this team is stuck with him at the leadoff spot unless they go out and get someone. Posada is pretty much done and both Colon and Garcia are as well as starters. They are nothing more than 5 or 6 inning pitchers who don’t help take the load off of CC as we saw this season, they are only a year older who won’t improve their stats from this year either, plus they will only increase the chances of burning out the pen. Rivera is going to be replaced in a couple of seasons as well. BUSTnett will be 35 years old next season as well, and he hasn’t shown anything for anyone to be thrilled about, he is one of the bigger busts in recent team history and once again melted down in the second half, in short he’s an old mediocre pitcher who this team can’t do anything about. Like I said before he is a BUST and has done nothing to disprove that. Yep it’s one of the oldest teams in baseball. This team will need at least two new starters in 2012, and it does need an overhaul but it won’t happen this year.

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Where did I ever say to get rid of Chamberlain and Hughes? I would like you to show me where I said that, or you just may have a faulty memory. Swisher had a better OBP than Cuddyer this past season and has a better OBP for his career than Cuddyer overall so to think Cuddyer would be an upgrade over Swisher is just FLAT OUT WRONG. Swisher’s fielding percentage is also almost identical to Cuddyer .980 to Cuddyer’s .985. He also has more HR’s and the same number of RBI’s in a shorter career than Cuddyer. All those facts alone just mean that Cuddyer is NOT an upgrade over Swisher. Hitting with men in scoring position doesn’t mean he is a better OF’er either or better player.. I would gladly sacrifice the 12 point advantage Cuddyer has over Swisher in terms of career BA knowing that he is a better offensive player and equal defensively.

As far as the pitching prospect go, I’m not the only one who says that most of the top prospects in the Yankee system are middle of the rotation guys, the scouts who see them everyday say the exact same thing. They base that on their stuff they throw and the make up of them as pitchers. MAybe if threw a fastball 93-95 mph and won 15 games on a consistant basis then they would say they are staff aces, but they only throw between 88-92 mph, average fastballs. So until they show otherwise, yeah they are nothing more than middle of the rotation guys who can be used as part of trade packages to get pitchers like a CJ Wilson. Also for the love of GOd, stop comparing Garcia to the likes of OSwalt and Halliday. At this point Halliday and OSwalt are still better pitchers than Garcia and Halliday still can be dominant there is no comparison.

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You also have to take into consideration that Tex’s numbers continue to decline as he hit .300+ for two straight years before coming to NY and .292 in his first year and then .256 and .248 his last two seasons. On the surface his stats look good, but like all stats they don’t tell the whole story. He’s become an all or nothing pull hitter (from left side)with 143 of his last 219 RBI’s coming by way of the HR, plus he has been a non-factor in the post season.This team needs someone to pick up the slack. It’s most likely not going to be A-Rod at this point nor Montero who is far too inexperienced. This team will need a younger player to help take up that slack.

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well…great commenting with you guys this year…i guess, even though we are all Yankee fans, we probably all have different opinions on what we see on the field..I’m going to throw my 2 cents in here .its funny but I think this last game, if someone had come thru, we all would be making different comments here today. One bomb, which Jeter almost got would of sent the Yanks to the Championship series. So we shouldn’t lose perspective on this. We won the AL East, which isn’t an easy task..Girardi did a great job with the bullpen and even the starters, Garcia was 12-8 with a ERA under 4 (3.62), Colon was under 4 most of the year and ended up right at 4.00, in the AL east thats pretty good pitching..Ask the Red Sox..?…I guess we know Burnett will be around next year, unfortunately…Heres what I’m excited about…Noesi, Nova, Robertson, Hughes threw the ball great his last 3 outings and hopefully he is over his shoulder or dead arm ailments, he actually was hitting 95 last night on the gun..I’m excited about Montero, I would have liked to see him get an more AB’s in this series..he was 2 for 2 as it was…Joba may come back real strong after tommy john, hes a question mark but worth a look…also the logjam of quality young arms at AAA…Phelps, Warren, Betances, Banuelos…we are loaded with young arms and they don’t all have to be Major league quality or star quality, if we get 2 more Nova’s….look out!!!…We need one real good lefty to go along with Logan..Feliciano and Marte?..we need one of these 2 to come back strong…I’m intrigued somewhat with CJ Wilson and his impending free agency and we have to re-sign CC…CC..CJ and SperNova next year?…I really like that set up…what to do with Freddie Garcia who I like as a 4 or 5 but I wouldn’t want to depress the development of any young starters who may show they could be stars or at least quality arms at the major league level…Real concerned about Swisher when it comes to the playoffs…its been 3 years now and he is 1 for 32 with runners in scoring position…Martin saved the Yanks tons of runs behind the dish, he is a gold glove caliber catcher, he was good at times with his offense and other times not so good…I’d like to see him focus on being a high OBP hitter and go the other way more…Jeter drives me crazy when Gardner is on first….would you please let the kid steal!!!…I’d love to see a patient hitter behind Gardner…I think Gardner should lead off, but he must improve his bunting and reduce his strike outs…he was real good in the playoffs…he had some clutch 2 out hits…him and Cano…AROD…what a miserable season for this guy…he has to work harder this off season and get himself healthy…knee, hand and whatever else is bothering him he has to get healthy and play third base everyday..hes not old by baseball standards…he wasn’t healthy for the playoffs…missed too much time…looked real bad but we don’t know how hurt he was…may have forced himself to play…he has to come back strong…Girardi..I thought Leyland out managed him and took 2 games off him …Leyland was bunting and had his runners in motion…not the last game but the 2 others Girardi was out managed thats why they lost this series, he has to shoulder some of the blame, no way Detroit is better than the yanks…go position by position and even the pitching…he never used robertson nor riviera when he had his team come back off verlander and tie it up 4 to 4…that was when you use a well rested Robertson and Riviera…these guys are weapons, use them, the series is too short not to!!!…I would recommend trade swisher and look for a good solid right fielder that can hit with guys on base and is a decent fielder, doesn’t have to be a power guy either…I would keep gardner…Posada..love ya brother…you showed your metal in the playoffs…go out in style..you are a true Yankee, please don’t try to play another year….Love Yanks defense in the outfield and we have a solid infield also…Nunez , Jones and Chavez did their jobs and offered a lot of flexibility to the team and manager…Nunez impressed me for a 23 or 24 year old, has to get better defensively and I think he will, his range is outstanding also…Should be an interesting winter!!!!

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Just a parting shot. Girardi stayed true to his core veterans right to the bitter end, hoping they’d come through for him. ARod wasn’t ready for the post season. Good defensively but not at the plate. He had already struck out twice in the game. In the later innings why not infuse some new faces and energy with Montero and Nunez and even Chavez. They couldn’t have done any worse than ARod. But Girardi went through the whole series with his veterans and it cost him big time. Tex didn’t produce. ARod didn’t produce. Swisher didn’t produce again. Martin didn’t get it done at the plate either. It wasn’t pitching that did the Yankees in in the 5th game. it was offense or lack of it. Yankees offense this year was streaky. The runs were streaky. Sure we hit a lot of home runs but you produce runs with singles and walks and bunts and doubles and moving runners along. We had to rely too much on home runs to produce runs all year and in the end it burned us. Will Cashman be here next year? Girardi? Who knows. Stay tuned. Anyway, it’s all over now but the crying. What’s done is done. We’re out. We need to get on with our other life besides the Yankees for a while. Good bye all and have a great winter.

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First off congratulations to the Tigers, they took their chances and converted – that’s how you win games, best of luck to them against the Rangers in the ALCS.
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Now comes the aftermath, on the face of it, things weren’t actually all that bad, we scored more runs than anyone in baseball, hit more big flys, stole more bases & won 97 games. However there’s the veneer then there’s the wood underneath it, 1 player hit .300 (although Jeter managed to get to .297) – the next nearest was .267, that’s not good enough. Yes they were bopping homers but with men on base we were TERRIBLE at points this season, contact hitting NEEDS to improve to get more runs across.
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Pitching was shaky at best, we essentially rode our luck this year with Garcia & Colon and with Colon he was done by the time September came around, Nova performed well and then we come to the crux of it. CC was awesome for a long time, a workhorse, but really did struggle through September, Hughes was basically there to start every 5 days, and then there’s AJ – well, i’m sure i don’t need to say anything here. CC has the right to opt out this season, if he was looking for more money he just shot himself in the foot with those 6 weeks, so he’ll need to think carefully about it.
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Bullpen for parts was excellent – Rivera another typical year, Robertson an absolutely outstanding year. In parts, average – Logan, Ayala, Soriano all frustrated at times & dazzeled in others, for a while they were all lights out, but seemed to lose focus.
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Where do we go from here? 3 starters minimum needed, new hitting coach required IMMEDIATELY and he needs to work hard in the offseason with everyone working on contact. I know you can’t teach clutch, but you can build the foundations for it with good hitting – for this club we need more than 2 players to be flirting with .300 averages. No problem it was good watching Teixiera & Granderson smash 40+ homers, but i’d sacrifice 10 homers each for another 30 hits and that would be what’s best for the team. We need our bench to improve – sure don’t get me wrong Nunez handled the bat but his errors were alarming.
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Fortunately there’s light at the end of the tunnel, we knew Nova had something in him and he proved it this season, last night was a bad couple of innings, but that’s going to happen – even the best have to lose sometimes. Montero came up in September and showed that he’s not fazed by being a big league player, ok so we didn’t see him much behind the plate but that’s workable. Cano continues to prove that he’s the centrepoint for this team, he does everything he needs to without much fuss and has taken the role of the spark in the team.
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Fond farewells? Well, sad to say it, but i think Jorge is finished, he’s had a decent career and will walk away with enough hardware to make much better catchers curse him for eternity! You also get the feeling that Colon is done, he’s been ineffective for a while now and well, considering he was signed for the Bullpen, i think he’s exceeded expectations. Jones & Chavez did what they needed to i suppose, but enough to guarentee them a spot next year – probably not. Then there’s one of the most important things to our offseason and the scary part, it has nothing to do with the team on the field – Brian Cashman. Some of us have written him off over various things, but it’s a contract year for him too and well, he’s not done the one thing which would have had a contract handed to him on a silver platter. Does he return, even i don’t know that, but i wouldn’t be overly concerned if he didn’t, perhaps what we need is fresh eyes and maybe someone with a bit of gall to stand up to the Steinbrenners and do what is needed to find the best mix.
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But hey, there’s always tomorrow, so we didn’t win the World Series this year, fate wasn’t to be (i’ll take the blame, i didn’t get to any games either this year or last, clearly my mojo didn’t rub off on the team!). We’ll come back next year but over the winter take solace in the fact, we might not have won the World Series, but atleast we didn’t choke like Boston – silver linings in all the clouds!
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Dare say i’ll be popping in over the winter when signings are announced etc – but if i don’t see you until then, God willing i’ll see you in February to start it all over again.

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Relief: Strong point of this team. HOw long will MO go? I like Robertson, Wells, Noesi, and Rivera. NEED another lefty to help Logan. Not sure about Soriano and his purpose with this team.

Bench: Like Chavez, Cervelli and Nunez. Nunez NEEDS to field grounders in the offseason. Still NOT sure why they signed Andrew Jones.

Managing: Joe you drive us crazy. I did NOT think you managed great this year. A C+ effort if that.

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Outfield: YOu are set in centerfield. Granderson has always been a great player. NOt sold of Gardner in left. Appears to be a spot sub but I can live with him. Right = Problem. Nick Swisher is Not Paul O’Neill. Not convinced of his ability. He stinks in the playoffs. Perhaps a trade here.

Pitching: CC NEEDS to LOSE weight and pitch less innings, assuming he resigns. Nova is a gold mione, reminds me of Andy. After that are questions. Goodby Colon. NOt convinced about AJ, Hughes is also a question mark. Garcia, to OLD. You NEED starting pitching NOW, not in 2015, NOW.

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Congrats to the Tigers they deserved to win it. I am SO disgusted by this bad performance in this series I do NOT know where to start. This team NEEDS an enema. So I will start. Catcher: Thank you Jorge but goodbye. Either START Montero from day ONE or trade him, Russell Martin is NOT the answer behind the plate. Frankly I’d go with Montero & Romine and let the chips fall where they may. Your damn manager is an ex-catcher start earning your salary.

Left side of infield: is set altho I am frankly bothered by Tex’s dropoff in BA. I would expect the Yankees to look at Fielder in the offseason.

Right side of infield: PROBLEMS. How many teams win with a 36 year old shortstop? Nunez need work. I love Jeter BUT he is getting older and slowing down offensively and defensively. As far as the 3rd baseman is concerned TRADE HIM or RELEASE HIM. I am sick and tired of his soap opera, his gambling, his women etc. He’s an @SSHOLE and everyone on this board knows that. Trade him and pay the dam team his salary. I don’t care just get rid of him. Play Chavez if you have to, he reminds me of Brosious. Just get rid of the cancer at third.

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Well, it’s been an interesting year. Enjoyed the banter and the comments and the dialogue about the team’s ups and downs. Anyway, everyone, have a great winter. Keep safe. We head to Florida for the winter away from the cold and the snow of Canada so will be at a few spring training games come the spring in Tampa. I wonder what next year’s team will look like? I have some suggestions as to who they should keep and who they should let go but won’t get into it here. See you all next April.

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I’m kind a hoping for cj wilson and then let some rookies similiar to nova get some chances…but we will see…

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I wish the #ell we could dump ARod. A big loser. A big strike out. Twice tonight and with the bases loaded once. Paying the guy millions and he doesn’t produce. Will he be ready for next year? Will it be more of the same? More injuries? And we’re stuck with him for another 5 years? Anyway, disappointing loss. We had our chances but again the old nemesis, couldn’t get RISP home. It’s happened too many times this year. Anyway, hats off to the Tigers. There’s going to have to be a lot of decision making about next year, who they keep and who they let go and who they bring in.

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2 runs is all they could get….wow…Tigers absolutely deserve it and I wish them well, we didn’t perform like a championship team…lots of blame to go around, but you can’t have a team that just has 2 players (grandy and cano) that have to do all the work….on offense….we had good pitching this last game though, if you told me we would hold to 3 runs, I would of said it would be a win!!!

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Speechless!

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AROD—-sorry fellas, he’ll break your heart. Next year!

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I am not holding my breathe here.

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well we have to get valverde or we go home…hmmm

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Mo was tremendous! Valverde—-he can be had. AROD coming up this inning—–I don’t know if I can bear another disappointment by him.

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LET’S GO YANKEES!!!!

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NOW!

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I have refrained from commenting for two night until this series was over. Once this game is over I will make some comments. This has NOT been a great performance from TOP to bottom for this team.

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Where is Jeffrey M. when we need him?

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Ooooooooooooooh!

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Let’s go JETE!

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Let’s go YANKEES!!!

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I would of been real tempted there to pinch hit montero for swisher….I guess joe wants to save the kid for the 8th or 9th…but swisher is 1 for 30 the last 3 years for the yanks with risp….just a dreadful playoff record for him and frankly he got himself out there….all balls thrown.

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Bob,
It would get “MODERATED”.

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One run—–closer game. Got to admit the Tigers’ pitchers have shown guts. Valverde—–the Yanks will get him!!!!

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You show a lot of restraint there Bob. Bases loaded and two strike outs and a walk from the middle, the meat of our batting order? And you say “Foooooo” I’d like to say something a lot stronger than that.

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Two strike outs from the middle of the order and one walk with bases loaded. That’s why the Yankees won’t win and don’t deserve to win.

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Foooooo!

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This could be it. The difference between going home and moving on.

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Texeira hasn’t done much offensively all series either. The middle of the order and they haven’t been producing for the Yankees in this series. That’s the difference between the yankees and the Tigers. Swisher has had a poor game at the plate and not a very productive series. Can he produce here?

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boos for ARod and they are well deserved. He hasn’t done a @amn thing all series and strikes out with the bases loaded. What a lot of money for a player not producing. This could be the game right here.

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It’s not Coke!

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Grandy or Robbie needs to beat Coke!

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JETE!

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The clip is on MLB.com!

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Let’s give Robertson a lead!

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Bob–Been rivetted to the Yankees/Tigers game and haven’t done any switching. There’ve been a number of squirrels this year running around the field in different parks.

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Oswalt wanted “no pitch” declared!

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Posada seems comfortable left handed…doing a nice job going with the pitch and looking for his pitch to hit…he loves fastballs…

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Anyone else see the squirrel run in front of the plate with Oswalt just delivering a pitch?

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Jorge is a warrior. I’d like to watch him for a few more games.

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scherzer ERA is 4.43….how can he be so impossible for the Yanks to score off of…Gardner leads off next inning….I think they score..

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I haven’t really liked Martin’s performance at the plate in this series. He looks like he’s trying to hard and trying to hit a home run every at bat. Looking bad in his last at bat with runner on base. The innings are ticking off one by one grinding down to the closer and to the Yankees going home if they don’t start getting some consecutive hits or some big hits.

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Hip, hip, Jorge!!

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Let the wheel turn….as long as it doesn’t come off!

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What a difference if we could have got a couple of runs with the bases loaded and 1 out and we couldn’t get anyone home.CC has given up more walks in this series than he has in a couple of games all year. And the wheel turns and in comes another pitcher from the pen.

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Is Robbie Cano and Granderson the only two guys on this team that can hit the long ball? Too bad it was a solo. Certainly ARod hasn’t come close or Texiera. Time for them to step up. They haven’t been much of a factor in this series. Giving CC another inning.

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CC back out for the 6th….hmmm

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Don’t you know!

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ROBBIE!

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C.C hasn’t been himself for more than a month. Not terrible, just not real good. Really bad pitch to V. Martinez. Keep pressure on Detroit—–the big hit will come.

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Umpires haven’t been generous to CC in this series.

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CC didn’t get it done last time and it doesn’t look like he’s going to do it tonight. Jackson hasn’t done anything all series and CC gives up a double. He’s so mixed up in his routine with that first game being rained out. He’s never recovered. Now they’ve got to use more of the bull pen. this whole strategy looks to me like it could backfire.

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Keep pounding every inning—-eventually the big hit will arrive. Still early, still close.

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Can’t leave the bases loaded with 1 out. That’s poor hitting. These opportunities are not going to come often in a game like this. They need to get Fister out and they can if Gardner gets a hit. Great! A big opportunity to tie or go ahead lost. Not good clutch hitting. This could have turned the momentum around.

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We’re getting closer!!!

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Foooo!

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I hate these commentators especially John Smoltz. They’re so biased against the Yankees. Martin does nothing with the bases loaded. You’ve got to take advantage of opportunities. Now it’s up to Gardner. Even if Martin could have got a fly ball to the outfield he would have scored a run.

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Jorge comes up again with a hit – to think there was a doubt over his inclusion on the postseason roster!

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Will the Tigers’ manager pull Fister here? Need to get him out and get to the bull pen. The only thing is Scherzer is a tough guy to face and the Yankees didn’t fare well against him the first time around.

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Hip, hip, Jorge!

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umpires zone tonight is a joke, all over the place and as consistent as the British weather!

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Can anyone tell me what’s wrong with Texiera at the plate? 2 for what in this series? Popping up. Striking out. Man he’s really out of sync. He got those two home runs in the last series of the regular season, the Girardi rested him, and he hasn’t done anything in this series. Sure he’s great defensively but he’s got to perform in the post season. We need his power in the lineup. Now it’s almost a sure out every time.

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Need a swish!

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More, more, more pitches!

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The nails I’ve got are all galvanized!

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Girardi has everyone on a short leash tonight. Danger of someone like Logan blowing up. This is desperation baseball where you take out your starter in the 2nd inning and then go to a different pitcher every inning after. If theYankees had been ahead by 2-0 instead of the Tigers the strategy probably would have been different. Yankees really haven’t got to Fister yet. They did in the first game but he has them off balance tonight. This s do or die tonight for the Yankees. So what happens? Logan gives up a hit to the first batter he faces. This is nail biting baseball. I don’t feel terribly confident in the Yankees’ chances tonight.

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Hughes was down to 92-93. Fister has thrown 51 pitches!

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Be patient—-have faith. The Tigers’ bullpen is in disarray. Keep ‘em close and those Yankee bats will get to the those Tiger pitchers. Wow, now to Logan—–I guess he’s got a plan. Bloggers need to keep positive.

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Hey Bill!

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Whats up Yankee fans, Bob, Allan and Yogi…

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Hey M-Y!

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Gardner is hot!

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The Tigers seemed to be able to pick up Nova’s curve and were all over it. Almost like they knew what was coming. Hughes looks good. Girardi may be thinking he has 6 innings from his big three in bullpen if he needs it, thus all he needs is four or five innings to get to our best pitchers. Good to see him managing playoff baseball.

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Hey Allan!

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can’t say i agree with the quick hook there to be honest

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Wow! The hook already!

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Yankees striking out. ARod stands there looking. Annoying. And then Posada. At least get out swinging the bat and not standing looking at the ball.

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can we get one umpire in this series to give the Yankees a break? Man it’s an awful wide strike zone and it seems that the yankees have had most of the calls go against them. Tex gets a double and they are going to strand him on 2nd? Come on, they’ve got to get RISP home if they hope to win this game.

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First hit….one of many!

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Nice recovery!

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Hey Bob!

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Hi guys. Not the first period we would have hoped for. Two mistakes and two solo home runs. Fortunately they were solo. It didn’t seem to rattle Nova however, so hopefully he’ll come back and pitch tough. The Tigers have seen Nova now once and perhaps adjusting. Fister gets 123. It’s early but down 2-0 early is a little nervewracking. Yankees need to get those runs back and in the early innings.

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We’ll get ‘em back!

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uh oh – could be a long night, back to back solo shots.

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Fooo!

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Foo!

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Let’s go YANKEES!

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