In the end, Damon didn’t fit budget

I know everyone giggles when they hear about the Yankees’ strict spending budget, but so far, Brian Cashman really is acting like he intends to keep the payroll under $200 million in 2010.

Take the Johnny Damon situation, for example. As Tyler Kepner details today in an analysis piece for the New York Times, Damon had offered to return for two years and $20 million, but only after the Yankees offered two years and $14 million. By that point, the Yankees had already come near the finish line on a $5.5 million deal with Nick Johnson and it was too late to turn back.

A Yankees official told the Times that Damon’s agent, Scott Boras, wanted a two-year, $26 million deal when he spoke with Cashman on Wednesday, but Boras disputed that in an interview.

So the Yankees have subtracted Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui from the World Series roster and replaced them with Curtis Granderson and Nick Johnson. They’re a little younger and certainly a little less expensive. But do you feel like the Yankees are better today?

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Fan Confidence Poll: December 21st, 2009
By Mike Axisa
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/fan-confidence-poll-december-21st-2009-21501/

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i love this…YES TRADE AROD…while his stock is hot…now when he starts to show mark decline when it will be hard to get rid of him…trade him now…if he were to go to the Angels…which i think he would accept and they would also accept…the Yankees negotiate partial payment of his contract like Texas did wit the Yankees and get alot done…i believe they could get Howie Kendrick Erik Aybar or Macier Izturis,and two or three of their top prospects…and they have some talent in their system…like pitching prospect Trevor Reckling and Tommy Mendoza and ss/3rdB prospect Brandon Wood and CF prospect Peter Bourjos…with a good young cheap talented package they could ultimately have a better team at the start of the season than they did last year…they could trade some of that package for CF Andrew McCutchenof the Pirates…and move Nick Swisher and Melky Cabrera or Bret Gardner for Ryan Baun pick up Adrian Beltre to play 3rd base…and Matt holliday and move him to RF…that makes the Yankees younger faster hit for better average have more HR’s and that lowers pay roll even while paying 16 of Arod’s 32 mil…because Beltre will only see 10 mil at best…and this maintains trade flexibility at yet another position and Beltre is younger than Arod…only 31…if you think about it…it not so crazy…and don’t you think this line up is better tan what they have currently….it would have McCutchen Jeter Teixeira Braun Holliday Granderson Nick Johnson Posada and Cano…now i don’t know how they would work line up but it has more speed than this years aand last years and they project to do better in every category as a team…check Braun’s contract it real cheap and it’s only McCutchens second year so he’s cheap as well…check it…

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Trade A-Rod… My god man, what is the matter with you? Although A-Rod is getting huge bucks you can’t deny the fact that he’s still performing. You talk about A-Rod not being able to play better as he ages, but this is one guy who I believe can help avoid the fact that he’s aging, and that’s his work ethic. This guy loves the game, he’s a big time player, he showed that this November, there is no denying that. Not even in the post season, but after missing 26 games (Rough Estimate) he still managed to hit 30 home runs and 100 RBI’s yet you’re trying to tell me he’s on the decline. Listen there’s no one who is going to tell you A-Rod isn’t getting paid big, and isn’t going to surpass grandfather time, he will age. However, talk about A-Rod when he does, it’s insane to even question trading this guy, especially after a World Series win. True, his stock is up since he’s played so well, no team is financially able to cash his checks. And as far as the Yankees not having options as far as singing free-agents, did you not watch a game of the 2009 Yankees? CC Sabbathia, A.J. Burnett, Mark Teixiera, Nick Swisher, all these guys were people the Yankees acquired prior to the 2009 season, a year where A-Rod was getting 32 million. Clearly the Yankees are able to acquire players even with A-Rod’s crazy contract.

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Yanks to match any team’s offer to Wang?
By Joseph Pawlikowski
http://riveraveblues.com/2009/12/yanks-to-match-any-teams-offer-to-wang-21487/

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The idea of trading Gardner or Cabrera
By Chad Jennings
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/20/the-idea-of-trading-gardner-or-cabrera/

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another thing…if Arod were traded with cash of course and they picked up Adrian Beltre or some other free agentto play 3rd…and the Yanks were to pick up Holliday and they got young cheap talent for Arod…how much better could they make the team…could they bigin to make other moves to make the team even better…while bringing down payroll…think about it…the door really swings open if they trade him…he is just one player and a team has soooooo many needs….ask the Texas Rangers who traded him in his prime…because he kept them from making other moves…we have the broken slower less powerful AROD…YES he is great…but does one player deserve 30 + million…and should anyone ever give a 32 year old a 10 year big money contract…will he be worth 20 mill when he is 38 39 40 and 41…it’s almost funny…and remember STEROIDS earned him and many others those contracts…what happens if he can’t take them…like what happen to Manny after he got 20+ million…it makes me laugh…the players have duped the ownership and the fans who are paying ticket prices out the WAHZOOOOO…but i still love baseball….i’m all in

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yes i am very serious about trading Arod….while his stock is high…with the good news of him not needing surgery…now there so many ways we can think of this…but no one player makes a team…and Yes i understand that Arod was the key to winning the World Series this year…which is why it is the best time to trade him…even though he is due a MVP type season…but he will be 35 in july and players like Evan Longoria may pass him for good…but maybe human growth hormones will keep him at a high level for a little while longer….but let’s think about it…Arod did not perform well in the playoffs in any of the previous years…also money wise from 2008 he became exclusively a yankee financial burden because he opted out of his previous 10 year contract…in 2008 and 2009 he had down seasons because of injury….in 2008 he made 27 mill and in 09 32 mil…these are his numbers for the remaining eight years…32,31,29,28,25,21,20,20…do you see him being worth that…and is it possible his contract could hamper the Yankees from making other moves that would improve the team…just like this year…the obvious choice in previous years would be to pick up the best player in a position of a aging vacating player which is Damon in LF…and replace him with Matt Holliday…who probably will hit for more HR’s than Damon did last year and will hit for better average and have a better OBP. plays better defenseand maybe has more steals…so why not get him…because they have finacial issues….why…because they are paying a single player 30 mil…if he were making 20 mil they could do it…Holliday probably won’t make more than 18…and Damon was making 13…so he fits if Arod didn’t have the monster contract…if the Yanks would have waited for the market to dictate how much his true vaule was and then stepped in at the last minute and bidded just a little over like they did when they got Tex…i am sure they would have got him for far less…now they might be stuck with him…and because of it…we as yankee fans may see Arod 14 years and one World Series…will it be worth it….

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Matsui has been a great Yankee and losing Damon isn’t fun either but it’s time to let them go. Both are on the decline, and the difference between Damon and Nick Johnson even in last year’s performance is overstated. Damon had a swing custom made for Yankee Stadium and by working with Kevin Long you can expect Johnson to hit 15Hr. That with a much higher on base percentage which more than makes up for his lack of speed when you consider Teix and A Rod are the ones driving him in.

As for Matsui, he is very much on the decline. Moving Posada up to 5 and putting Granderson in the 6 will be an upgrade for the lineup. Granderson has 35Hr power in Yankee Stadium, and he wll be free to run at the 6, which he wouldn’t do at the 2.

The key now is to add another starting pitcher if possible, and a set-up man. If Hughes/Chaimberlain are to forced back into the pen, let it be for performance reasons and not need.

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To Yankee Fanatic

Are you for real trade A Rod are you on drugs or somethinh, have you had too much XMAS cheer and now you are losing brain cells. Where were you during the post season were you on Mars or somewhere as far away. A Rod on and yes off the field were the reasons they won. Are you and others never happy, At the end of 08 and prior to the start of 09 quite a lot on this site put the boots in Cashman and wanted him out.
For heaven sake show some faith.

I will be hugely dissapointed if we lose both Damon and Matsui but we have to look beyond 2010 and yes age has a factor and they could decline quickly. Matsui was and is huge and will be very hard to replace especially in pressure situations. But please put the trash talk of trading Alez where it belongs –in the trash can. Granderson and Johnson will do just fine.

Merry XMAS to all and above all be safe merry and generous to family and friends and I hope your own stockings are full.

Aussie Bryan

MANAGEMENT OF THIS TEAM IS IN VERY GOOD HANDS

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No Matter What anyone might say they don’t have enough money to put the best team on the Field because of Arod…and i am not mad at him or Scott Boras but the Yankees…i am a firm believer that the Yanks allowed themselves to be played…i firmly believe that if they played hardball with Arod they could have got him for no more than 8 years maybe less and 20 to 25 million a year with no Homerun bonuses for possibly breaking the record…hiscontract should have been no more than 8 years 200 mil…and that would have allowed them to bring in Matt Holliday in Damons place and bring back Matsui for 1 year 6.5 mil…and that brings down payroll a little if Holliday signs for 18 mill a year or less…if the Yanks were smart they would shift gears and try to trade Arod now…with cash of course because his contract is lunacy…but if Milton Bradely can be traded anyone can…as long as they get back cheap unrestricted talent then they would be in position to improve the team…especially next season with the talent that should hit the market…so i say force him to accept a trade and move him to the Angels or even Red Sox or to anybody who will take him that he is willing to move…no doubt he is a great player but he disables teams with his contract…he did it to the Rangers and he is even doing it to the mighty Yankees…who’s rototation does not look as good as the Red Sox and for now have a weaker offense than last year…

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Granderson and Johnson may not be better than Matsui and Damon were in 2009, but I think they’ll be better than Damon and Matsui would have been for the Yanks in 2010. Older players can decline rapidly.

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Granderson and Johnson may not be better than Matsui and Damon were in 2009, but I think they’ll be better than Damon and Matsui would have been for the Yanks in 2010. Older players can decline rapidly.

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the Yanks on the surface look like they replaced power and speed with Granderson and added on base percentage with Johnson…but they lost speed and power in the 2 hole with Johnson…and they added a guy who strikes out alot in Granderson…i could understand them cutting payroll especially if they go after Cliff Lee Crawford and maybe Mauer next year…but i think they should have traded Swisher for Denard Span or Shin Soo Choo…or even Fla. Marlins rookie of the year…Chris Coghlan who looks he is going to be a great contact hitter…they may have had to pay some of Swisher’s 6.5 mil contract but it would have given them a good two hole hitter with speed and a brought down payroll even more and they could have kept Matsui for just 1 mil more than Johnson…the Yanks line up could be Span or Coghlan leading off or put jeter in the 1 hole and let Choo hit behind him then teixeira arod matsui posada cano cabrera and Granderson or they could move Granderson up in the line up…to 5 6 or 7….

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I for one will not be sad to see Damon go. He is not worth what he is asking for, his agent is a bor “***,” and once a red sux always a red sux. Goooooooooooooood Byyyyyyyyyyyyye Johnny!!!

http://denveryanksfan.mlblogs.com

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Trade Nick Swisher? Convince me.
By Chad Jennings
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/12/19/trade-nick-swisher-convince-me/

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I think this is a definite improvement. Sure Damon and Matsui both have at least one year left in the tank, but I’m excited to see the team get younger and better defensively. The Yankees now have three centerfielders, three first basemen, and plenty of flexibility in the lineup and on the field. Glad to see the old strategy of cramming the lineup with power hitters has been scrapped and the team now has excellent left/right/switch balance and great on-base percentage–and remember. I also think they’re leaving room for Carl Crawford to come to the Bronx and man left field next year.

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Cashman made a bad decision not re signing Damon. Nick Johnson is slow, nick Johnson is injury prone. Nick Johnson will hit into a ton of Double Plays and even if he gets on he won’t be able to steal so Tex will hit into more DP’s. Cashman did not like Damon. Damon was good in the clubhouse and with the fans. I have been a yankee fan since my birth in 1951 and Mantle was my hero. However I can honestly say that if Damon should face us in a Playoff game or World Series and he has a chance to win a game or a series, then I hope he does. Sometimes you just do not mess with success. Without Damon’s 9 pitch at bat and his double steal the Yank’s may never have won. That’s the thanks Damon was given.

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To me the answer is no, the yankees are not better today than they were on 11/4/2009. But, if and when, Damon signs elsewhere, there will still be ways to improve the team before the new season starts. And Damon could still be back. All that would require is to move another OF which could even be Gardner to AAA since he still has options.

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