A partial recap of the revised Joba Rules

62.jpgIt seems like there’s a lot of confusion out there about exactly why the Yankees pulled Joba Chamberlain after three innings and 35 pitches today.

In case you missed it, this was a major piece of discussion before Friday’s game, when the Yankees outlined several aspects of why a change had to be being made.

So maybe it’s a good time to try and briefly recap what we know of these mysterious Joba Rules, 2009 edition:

The old way wasn’t working. Giving him extra days of rest to combat this innings limit down the stretch appeared to have some benefits at first, but Chamberlain was 1-2 with a 8.55 ERA in the four starts that followed. The last straw was Tuesday vs. Texas, when he gave back a 4-0 lead and lost.

“It looked like it was working great,” Joe Girardi said. “He came out of
the break and was lights out. But we think that a change needed to be

It’s the innings, not the starts. While the Yankees continue to keep this plan secretive for their own reasons, what we have established is that Chamberlain’s innings limit for 2009 is somewhere in the ballpark of 160 innings.

Generally speaking, the pitch count isn’t nearly as important, as they think a big league pitcher averages out to a 15-20 pitch inning over the course of a season — you have your quick ones and your long ones.

Girardi said that 180 is a “danger” zone, which is more than they’ve revealed about their thinking all year. Look, the Yankees don’t want Chamberlain to be their blown-out version of Bill Pulsipher, Jason Isringhausen and Paul Wilson rolled into one. I can’t blame them for being overly cautious. He’s not disposable goods.

So while the Yankees knew they couldn’t do anything with that innings limit, the way they were going to reach it is adjustable. Instead of giving him extra days, Joba will just have shorter starts for a little bit but start every fifth game.

What about the bullpen? Is it good to use Alfredo Aceves for three innings and 32 pitches? Well, in the short term, it’s not great. But the Yankees have reinforcements coming on Tuesday as rosters expand to 40 players, and they’ll be getting bullpen help.

Sergio Mitre’s status throws a wrinkle into this that we hadn’t seen before – otherwise, you could also lean on Chad Gaudin for the backup.

If the Yankees were up by 1 1/2 games in the American League East, by the way, they wouldn’t be fooling around with this. That’s one other important point. They have a little luxury here.

Building back up for October. One of the keys Girardi talked about was that Chamberlain must be built back up to throw 100 to 110 pitches by the end of September, so he can start in the playoffs. That tells you he won’t be turning in these three inning starts for long — not if the Yankees are expecting he’ll be ready to go seven strong innings in the postseason.

It’s a silly exercise to map out starts a month in advance, because the rotation can change, there can be rainouts, injuries, etc. Even though the Yankees didn’t pull Chamberlain because of his 35 pitches today, let’s roughly plot out that you can safely boost a pitcher by 15 or so pitches per start, Spring Training style.

Whatever the case, Sept. 4 at Toronto should give him 50 pitches to play with. If my math is right, four turns through the rotation (65, 80, 95) and Chamberlain can already be up to 110 if needed, which would fall right about the time of the last homestand of the season.

It’s frustrating to Joba; he wants to pitch and be let loose. But he understands and seems to be on board. It might work better than having him pitch on eight days rest.

“I’ve learned to be very patient over the three years that I’ve been
here,” Chamberlain said. “The Joba Rules are still going strong. I
still see the T-shirts every once in a while. But it’s better. It’s
going to make everything better in the long run.”



Good article and very explanatory on the Joba rules. Now if every Yankee fan who likes to complain would read such informative articles it would make cyber space more enjoyable.

I wish I had a dollar for every ” 3 innings!” remark I read. Lordy, lordy, some fans don’t have the sense of a flea.

And still with the Joba to the pen comments. Well, if he is going to only pitch 3 innings per game – he might as well be back in the pen – where he belongs.

This Yankee team is incredible and I look forward to post season, with or without Joba. Well, I would like to see Joba in the world series – even for just 3 innings ! lol.


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Scranton/WB 3 (7)
W: Bierd (2-1, 4.63); L: Nova (1-4, 5.16); SV: Cabrera, F (21)
HR: SWB: Duncan, S (28), de Caster (5).
Pawtucket (Red Sox) 1
Scranton/WB 6 (7)
W: Hirsh (4-0, 1.37); L: Zink (5-15, 5.72); SV: Ramirez, E (4)
HR: SWB: Duncan, S (29).
New Britain (Twins) 1
Trenton 2 (7)
(Completion of game previously suspended on 8/29/09)
W: Sanchez, H (2-0, 3.72); L: Mullins (10-11, 4.02)
HR: NBR: Hughes, L (6). TRN: Vechionacci (9).
New Britain (Twins) 5
Trenton 3 (7)
W: Steedley (1-0, 3.07); L: Pope (5-12, 4.85)
HR: TRN: Krum (2).
Brevard County (Brewers) 2
Tampa 7
W: Noesi (3-0, 3.92); L: Rivas, A (13-7, 2.95)
HR: TAM: Adams, D (6).
Augusta (Giants) 2
Charleston 1
W: Surkamp (10-5, 3.47); L: Horne (0-1, 7.94); SV: Wilson, C (7)
HR: None.
Staten Island 5
Vermont Lake (Nationals) 4
W: Marte, R (5-3, 4.19); L: Weaver (0-1, 2.25); SV: Flannery (6)
HR: SI: Almonte, Z (7).
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