Pettitte running out of time?

The Yankees have not pulled their offer to Andy Pettitte, though it appears the club may be preparing to complete the roster without their veteran left-hander. In the time since the Yankees offered Pettitte one year at $10 million, the club has been able to get CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Mark Teixeira to sign on the dotted line.

But still nothing from Pettitte, who could be the odd man out as they look to complete the rotation. The New York Post reports that it is now “doubtful” the Yankees will sign Pettitte, and Newsday reports the club is happy with their team as is.

“Right now it’s doubtful on Pettitte, given where we are financially
with this stuff,” a Yankees official told the Post. “But things change,
especially here, if Hank and Hal [Steinbrenner] decide to do something.”

Pettitte wants to pitch for the Yankees, and the Yankees still would like him back – just not at $16 million. It still makes enough sense that it could happen, but reading comments like these should be a jolt to Pettitte that the Yankees are ready to move on.

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The NY papers are agents of the Steinbrenners, they are trying to send a message to Pettitte to take it now if you want it. Pettitte really wants to return and likes the additions. I expect an agreement in 48 hours.

By bpark23@gmail.com on December 26, 2008 12:13 PM
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Astros not in the running for Pettitte but Dodgers and Rangers waiting on his 10M decision.

Reds would like Damon, talks ongoing.

By bpark23@gmail.com on December 28, 2008 7:56 PM
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Yet ANOTHER reason to turn the BPark filter on…… Which is it? What are your “sources” telling you now?

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With a lot more upside, when healthy, he can throw with the best of’em

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His 2008 numbers came in the worst division in MLB and in a pitcher’s ballpark, look at Fenway right handed batters will rake off of him with that short monster in right. Penny is an injury risk, but he is a Boston-esc low risk signing kinda like Byrd and Colon were.

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Also, don’t sell Penny short, just look at his numbers pre 2008… he can be a stud.

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Bpark,
Miranda is one of the best chips the Yanks have now to reel in new prospects or a major-league ready squad. The Yanks have the corners wrapped up for the better part of 9 years — though I understand A-Rod will move to DH, that will not happen for the next 5 years. It will be a win-win for both sides, as Miranda will get a chance in the Bigs and the Yanks will get a good player/prospect in return. Also, I can guarantee the Yanks would move Swish/Miranda/Aceves to reel in Cain, I just can’t see the Giant’s agreeing to that deal. Also, why would the Yanks seriously move Damon? He hit .303, showed decent extra base power, played decent left-field and stole bases. If the Yanks do move him they will leave a gap in the #1 hole, it makes no sense. I think Swish is the odd man out, he is cheap over 3 years, a good defensive player and has shown some pop. After that Nady would be desired due to his final year of arbitration, Nady had a career year and could provide a power-craving team a #3-5 hitter. The Yanks would have to eat most of Damon/Matsui’s contracts and get little in return while losing a great leadoff hitter and a hitter coming off injuries who could still potentially provide a .290 clip while belting 20+ dingers and driving in +100 runs.

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Penny to Boston I don’t like the move for them, but for the Yankees, it’s nice he’ll be like a batting practice pitcher most likely.

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Damon to the Cinci could have legs like Sui to SF did last year. Personally Damon is the 1 guy I would rather keep with Nady 2nd. The other 3 can go.

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Why would the Yankees turn to Aceves or Guiese when Hughes is their stud prospect. Despite last season’s poop performance he has pitched well at the major league level and he is going to have to step up. I like Aceves a lot but his small sample isn’t enough to put him over Hughes in my book just yet. Trading away Swisher just to resign Abreu hurts the Yankees in depth something they’ve lacked in years past. Swisher can play LF, RF, CF, 1B and I’d bet 3B in a pinch, Abreu can play… RF. Swisher right now on most depth charts factors as a #4 OF anyway so he’d be good for our bench to spell Nady and the kids in CF and Teix every once and a while at 1st. If we’re going to move anybody it wouldn’t be to bring back a corner OF, we have enough of them unless we move two OF and that will be a problem selling an aging Damon (plus we’d lose a very good leadoff hitter) or a broken and old Matsui (also losing a good hitter especially if he’s willing to embrace the DH role). Nady is sellable but it’d most likely be a one year rental as he’s a Boras client and he’ll walk. I’d be happy keeping all our OF and rebuilding the OF next year when the OF pool is a little younger wit players like Matt Holiday hitting the market barring the A’s moving him somewhere that’ll extend him because I don’t see that happening, but I didn’t see them making a move for him either so… Also players like Vlad, and Magglio Ordonez possibly hit the FA market.

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Babu, Swisher and Abreu salaries don’t equate.

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I don’t believe the scare tactics….Hank is the source? Cashman knows Pettitte much better and likely makes the final decision on someone like Pettitte. ESPECIALLY WHEN CASH DUMPS CONTRACTS LIKE SHEFF, WOLMACK, ETC.

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I think the Yankees are going to turn to Hughes, but I’d rather they went with Aceves or Giese. Also, I think the Yankees should try and trade away Swisher and sign Abreu.
http://bronx-awesome.mlblogs.com/
King Yankees

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Astros not in the running for Pettitte but Dodgers and Rangers waiting on his 10M decision.

Reds would like Damon, talks ongoing.

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Looks like the BoSox are picking up Penny, this move is kinda laughable to me as Penny has a 4.0+ ERA in the weakest division in baseball in a pitcher’s park, now he moves to the AL East, a beast of a division and into a hitters park (minus center field). He’s rarely ever seen the caliber of hitters like Arod, C. Pena, and most of the AL East. It’ll be interesting to see how he fares as the Sox #5 but I’d wager not well.

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Aceves and Miranda likely won’t be traded. Especially Aceves, we didn’t get him to trade, we want him to develop more.

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The longer Manny waits, the cheaper he becomes, he may have to retire. The less money Manny gets, the more unhappy he will be, winning doesn’t matter.

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On another thought, talk about a greedy fan. In looking at the Giant’s depth chart it looks as if there is a strong possibility that they will be one of the opposing forces to the Dodgers and Diamondbacks –more so the Dodgers. With the addition of Renteria and Johnson, last years signing of Rowand, Molina’s strong Bat, a young promising bullpen along with the resurgence of Lincicum and Cain, they will be a good team. However, the two pieces they are seriously lacking is the big power bat and the lights out closer. They have a rotation of surprising depth with the two young guns, Mr. 300 (almost), and the planet once formally referred to as Zito; along with those four they have Noah Lowery coming off injury and the young and promising lefty Sanchez holding down the 5th and 6th spot. My proposal is to send Miranda, Swisher and Aceves. Miranda could give them a solid 1B and a potentially decent bat while Swish could add the homers while mixing throughout the 1B and the outfield. Aveves would than fill the void that Cain leaves when he joins the Yanks… not saying Aveces is that good but he would plug a gap. I’m not sure if the Giants would do this… I wouldn’t, but a fan can dream.

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The only positive in signing Manny is his scrumptious numbers at the plate — which are top of the line and will be for the next 2-3 years; however, that said he will not give this team what they need now: chemistry. The Yankee’s are filled to the brim with power hitters at the moment and the offense is undoubtedly one of the best (if not the best) in the league. But the Yank’s want to shed payroll, get younger, and cut overdue contracts, Manny’s minimum contract expectations would be an overpaid two years or a very expensive three year deal.____________________________________________ I think Manny pulled a classic “Vince Carter” in that he played exceptionally well but nowhere close to his potential for a team in which he lacked passion, loyalty, and friendship towards. The abusive relationship between Beantown and Manny went both ways, both of them taking their low-blows when they had ample opportunity. When Manny went to L.A. he did what every player does when they play for money, he played all out to get his much anticipated and highly craved “chedda”. I agree that Manny’s conduct was inappropriate but in no way do I view him as a club house cancer, hes just got a big freakin’ head.___________________________________________________ If Cashmen were to sign Manny to a deal it would be like adding another layer of cheese to a triple cheese pizza with cheese crust. We don’t need Manny’s bat by any means and saying the Yanks should make it a priority is completely selfish and, quite frankly, an insult to the Yankee’s. They have already went above and beyond with their triple-headed monster signing and the only thing left to do it to play the game._______ That said, any ball fan would be lying if they said that Manny hitting clean-up in their line-up — for the right price of course. IF we could sign Manny to a 2 year deal worth approx. 30 million I would be content… but that would NEVER happen unless the vendetta which Manny holds against Boston is that high and the market has saturated completely for Manny. Manny and Boras will find a home with a big fat juicy contract waiting for them.

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Maybe with the addition of Burnett who learned how to corral his 100MPH arm and claims to have learned to stay healthy by not throwing gas all day long can teach Joba what he learned. He did stay healthy last season but it was a walk year, it’ll be interesting to see if he can stay healthy this year.

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The risk in the rotation is not Hughes its Joba. He wore down quickly last year and could manage many wins in his starts.

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Interesting info on Giambi. Sportscenter says he has told the As he will only play for them if he can play 1B and must have a 3 year deal. The report also said if he wants to DH or be a bench player, he has the option of returning to the Yankees for 1 year but HE WANTS 3 YEARS AND 1B.

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Let me start by saying that I believe that right now the Yankees are a very good team, much better than the 2008 version. Having said this, I also believe that two criteria to be considered if the team want s to improve –there´s always ways to improve a team- are: balance and depth.

The 2008 version had too many lefties in the lineup, lacked speed and better defense, and did not have a guaranteed first starter in pitching, while the bullpen needed a long reliever and there was also the question marks about the set up and the lefty reliever.

Now, the starting pitching question has almost been fully addressed, and the bullpen got good, surprising performances, from Veras, Ramirez, Bruney, Coke (at the end of the season), and the addition of Marte.

However, there is no fifth starter yet. Like almost everyone, I would like Pettitte to come back. But he must understand that he does not deserve 16 milllion; come on, Randy Johnson has just signed for one year (with a very clear goal in mind, to reach 300 victories), for 8 million. And his 2008 record, playing for a weak offensive team as Arizona, was better than Andy´s. 10 Million are more than enough, also given the market as it is right now.

On the other hand, I think that this fifth spot should be for a veteran, one-year (maybe two) deal, pitcher. Why? Because the projected starting pitching has already a rookie, Chamberlain, who will not pitch more than 150 innings. (Last year, he pitched 100, his highest number so far. Before that, he had never pitched more than 40 innings in a year.) The Yankees must avoid a scenario with two rookies in the rotation, and if something happens to Burnett, Sabathia, or Wang, what, another rookie would be brought? A starting rotation with 3 rookies, one of them not pitching more than 140-150 innings? Balance is needed.

Please do not rush Hughes, Kennedy, Aceves, or anybody else. Instead, try to figure out a way for one of them to become a long reliever in 2009, and a helper to Chamberlain, if and when needed. Today, to prevent any future problem only requires a FA signing. During the season, it will cost prospects.

Another thing: right now, with twelve pitchers (Sabathia, Wang, Burnett, Chamberlain, Hughes, Marte, Coke, Bruney, Veras, Ramirez, another rookie -Albaladejo, Giese, Robertson?- and Rivera) ONLY THREE –Rivera, Burnett, and Marte- are older than 30 years old. Which is good, except for this: of the seven pitchers in the bullpen, Rivera and Marte are the only ones with at least two complete seasons in MLB. It wouldn´t hurt to add a veteran FA reliever in the mix.

Going to the lineup: I agree that Abreu instead of Matsui would be great. Look at their numbers. And Abreu can run and play outfield when needed. Matsui, in the last three seasons, only could play a complete one (2007). In his six MLB years, he has only played 774 games out of 972; he has 507 RBIs. In his last six years, a healthy Abreu has played 947 games, six consecutive seasons with at least 100 RBIs (only Pujols and Arod did the same), with a total of 616 RBIs. And during those seasons he has stolen at least 22 bases per year.

For center, Willy Taveras, who Bill James ranked in his 2009 Handbook as the best baserunner in MLB during 2008, and whose numbers are quite comparable, or even better than Cabrera´s, would have been interesting to consider. (Just signed a 2-year deal with the Reds.) Imagine: 68 steals last year. Melky has 30 something in 4 years. The other names mentioned are very good -Rowand, Ríos, McLouth, Granderson- but they would imply the sacrifice of few prospects. Taveras was a FA.

Last but not least: the bench must not be overlooked. So far, it includes Molina, Ransom, and at least one of the losers of the centerfield competition: Cabrera, Swisher, Gardner. Looking for depth, a veteran infielder, who could play third base, some other infield position, maybe the outfield (letfield?) from time to time, could be considered. There are still some names out there. One is Ty Wigginton (the guy could also play “emergency-DH” if needed.) It would all come down to how much he can get in the market.

Remember: contrary to the pitching staff, the projected lineup: Damon, Jeter, Teixeira, ARod, Matsui, Posada, Cano, Swisher, Gardner/Cabrera, have 5 veteran, more than 30-year-old players, two of them returning from injuries. Help from the bench could be –and probably will be-needed.

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Jackson I don’t think so. Where’s Damon? He’s our lead off.

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Here is the 2009 Lineup:

ss Jeter
2b Cano
1b Texiera
DH/Lf M. Ramirez
3b Rodriguez
Lf/Dh Matsui
Rf Nady
C Posada
Cf A. Jackson

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Robert, Kennadia may get some starts in West Coast City.

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Ortiz, Lowell, Drew, Bay, Youklis….Texeria, Rodriguez (guess hitter, chokes in clutch, terrible RISP), Posada, Nady…hmmmm, Yanks need to sign Manny asap ! Posada will be lucky to catch 100 games this year and he had his career highlight year in 2007…don’t expect a repeat from a 40 year old catcher. Posada’s back up is an excellent defensive catcher and knows how to get the most out of our staff…but he is aging, too and is only one biscuit from being able to get into or out of his catchers squat. Yanks need to integrate young talent into this line up this year…Cervelli would have played more last year if he had not been injured in the spring training game against the Devil Rays…thats the reason Girardi went ballistic…Cervelli closer to majors than Romine…Cabrera, Swisher, Gardner are not the answers in center field…Austin Jackson has the arm, the speed and the bat to grow into that position…When Mantle came up in 1951 he played along side DiMaggio in right field…he had a hard time at the plate and was sent back to the minors…In fact Mantle was so discouraged that he wanted to quit Major league ball but was talked out of this by his father. Mantle was quoted more than once stating that coming to majors in ’51 taught him how much he did not know …speeded his development up…Sure, expect Jackson and Cervelli to struggle…but we have a veteran line up, and if we sign the “right” positon player free agents, then these youngsters can develope, bring youthful energy and contribute in a timely fashion just like Tom Tresh, Joe Pepitone, Tommy Heinrich did when they were inserted in past veteran line ups. Keep Matusi. Matsui is a consumate professional and takes great pride in his conditioning. He will have a monster year playing left field and at the plate. Get rid of Johnny Damon, Gardner, and Ian Kennedy.

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And I forgot to include Burnett and Sabathia! There will be a lot going on!

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PB,
Hughes will get plenty of action filling in for any short-term injuries and the occasional start that is skipped to protect Chamberlain. I also think Aceves and Kennedy will likely see a few MLB starts! There will be plenty of drama for ST and April, May, and June as we see what Cabrera, Gardner, Matsui, Posada and Teixeira will have to start the year, but the new Stadium should have all of the fans in too much of a good mood for any serious booing! Hell, A-Rod may still catch most of that!!!

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Great news, Randy Johnson signs with the Giants, Abreu is a target of the As and Rays according to ESPN today.

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While I like the Teixeira signing I wonder how he’ll handle New York because he is a notoriously slow starter. In 2006 he hit only 9 first half home runs but still finished with 33 on the season, but that was with Texas and with a two year 15.4MM contract, if he did that here he’d be booed at home and I wonder how he’d handle that. Personally I’m 50/50 on the re-signing of Pettitte. Robert I completely agree signing him would help the younger pitchers all year long and slotting Andy in the #4/5 spot would give us a very strong back end starter. However Hughes has to step up and take the ball and deliver and this year may be now or never. He’ll be protected better this year than maybe ever having CC, Burnett, Wang in the 1, 2, 3 spots in front of him and Joba. They won’t have to be aces like last season and they can just settle in and just do what they do best. They have the skill, we’ve all seen it now it’s just about consistency.

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BP,
Interesting to note “the guy we traded to Pittsburgh” (Tabata) was dropped from BA’s top 50 prospects this year!

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I’m another who would prefer to resign Pettitte. He is still valuable as a number five starter and additional coach for the youngsters in Spring Training. I think an additional $2-3M will likely be offered as we near February.

Also we can’t expect Teixeira’s bat to replace both Abreu and Giambi. I’d love to see one of them back for the bench at least.

While the Cameron talk may have been motivational for Melky there is still some speculation about outfield changes:
http://riveraveblues.com/2008/12/yanks-shopping-outfielders-6428/

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MM440,
You misread my post. All I was telling you is what I thought of the “insults” and that ” most here don’t want to read that crap.” As an infrequent contributor, you may have missed some fights and the general reaction to them. And the “love letters” would only serve to expand the “insults” discussion off of this blog.

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Hey Bryan,
Has there been any recent discussions regarding the manner in which teams are aligned? I was looking at the standings and their are only 4 teams in the AL West (which I knew but never really thought about). Last year, the Angels could have won the division and therefore made the playoffs with only 80 wins. The AL East and Central have it more difficult with 4 teams to compete against. Then, the NL Central has it the most difficult with 5 teams to compete against. With 30 teams, why didn’t MLB originally break it up into 5 teams per division? If you know, I would be curious to know the answer. Thanks a lot and happy holidays!

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ESPN Updated lineup

PROJECTED STARTERS
C Jorge Posada
1B Nick Swisher
2B Robinson Cano
3B Alex Rodriguez
SS Derek Jeter
LF Xavier Nady
CF Brett Gardner
RF Johnny Damon
DH Hideki Matsui
POS PLAYER
SP1 CC Sabathia
SP2 A.J. Burnett
SP3 Chien-Ming Wang
SP4 Joba Chamberlain
SP5 Phil Hughes
CL Mariano Rivera

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Rank our these players as CF for 2009

Bernie Williams, wait till after WBC for full eval.
Johnny Damon
Bubba Crosby
Andy Phillips, played LF for Red last year
Nick Swisher
Hideki Matsui, former CF
Melky Cabrera
Brett Gardener
Austin Jackson
The guy we traded to Pittsburgh
Add Mariano Rivera

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Rank our these players as CF for 2009

Bernie Williams, wait till after WBC for full eval.
Johnny Damon
Bubba Crosby
Andy Phillips, played LF for Red last year
Nick Swisher
Hideki Matsui, former CF
Melky Cabrera
Brett Gardener
Austin Jackson
The guy we traded to Pittsburgh

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Pettitte as FA (or alternative #5 SP – Aceves, Hughes, Kennedy) and the last BP slot are about the only remaining open questions. Brian has done extraordinarily well in reloading and restructuring. Major Kudos are in order.

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The remaining two positional player Roster slots project as Molina, c and ransom, uif. QED

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Yankees Opening Day Line-Up 2009:
Damon, lf
Jeter, ss
Teixeiria, 1b
Rodriquez, 3b
Matsui, dh
Posada, c
Cano, 2b
Nady or Swisher, rf
Gardner or Cabrera, cf
Which would, btw, be about the BEST Offensive Line-Up in MLB.

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Abreu is not coming back either.
Yankees did what I had projected last Season in signing the two Top FA/s they needed, Sabathia amd Teixeia. (Burnett was added bonus, with Musina and probably Pettitte retiring.)
Most at the time last Season, said picking up both Sabathia and Teixeria was unrealistic and fantasy. It was not, and kudos to Brian and Hal.
Additional thoughts re more major FA pick ups are unrealistic and fantasy.
After 2009 (when Matsui, Damon and possibly Nady) come off the payroll books, there will be another opportunity in a very limited FA field (possibly adding FA Matt Holliday for LF).
But now. LOL Look at the Roster, it is pretty much set.

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‘Manny being Manny” as a Yankee ?!? NO WAY !

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the Yanks should not sign Pettitte but give Hughes another chance in the #5 spot and trade Matsui so they can pick up Manny…
so insted of spending 10 million on a pitcher who may not be effective they can take that chance on Hughes it shouldn’t be much worse maybe even better…they also have Aceves and other young arms to pull up if Hughes is not working out…
and if they trade Matsui and get 10 or more million pick up by the team he is traded to then they can get Manny with out elevating the payroll to much…

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UGH….w/ Swisher I meant his ON BASE PERCENTAGE….OBP….sorry.

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yeah, Bpark, that’s what I mean. REEEEEEEtarded. Best line-up in history yet no one can hit w/ RISP…

Speaking of RISP:

Nick Swisher.

I don’t know why so many people are on his jock strap. Um, he is a career, CAREER, .220 hitter RISP. Anyone see this? Why does this annoy me? He’s a 4th ourfielder on this team, at best.

I think he was “stolen” yes, but that’s like saying just because you “stole” a balonga sandwich doesn’t necessariy mean it has any value. It’s still baloney. And swisher is just that: a fluke who had a 35 hr year w/ a bAd team.

By comparison, Nady is a .265 career RISP hitter, w/ .275 RISP w/ 2 outs, .298 in tie games. Last year, he hit .307 RISP and .333 RISP w/ 2 outs, and even better in tie games and close games. as a 6 or 7 hitter in the line up, this guy can be like Scot Broscious (sp). I like that way better than Swisher’s paltry .220 RISP-who cares what is OPS is-it means nothing if he isn’t driving in runs w/ guys on base.

This is why I think the yankees have to keep Nady, even just for next year. He is a great bottom of the lineup guy, not a super star, but solid w/ getting guys in. If he can get 25/95 like he did last year w/ 550 AB, I think the yanks will be very hard to pitch around. Those championship teams in the late .90’s had a LONG line up that was hard to pitch around, and wore down pitchers. Having a .220-.240 hitter as the 6 or 7 is a waste.

this is why I think, again, I’m no “genius”, the yanks should re-sign Abreu and look to trade swisher and matsui. Abreu is a more productive Offensive player than both and also isn’t coming apart at the seams like a raggety anne doll like Matsui.

Here is the line up I’d like to see (feel free to debate this with me)

LF Damon
SS Jeter
3B A-rod (hack wheez cough)
1B Texeira (protects A-rod so A-rod can “breathe”)
DH Abreu (Because of his RISP #’s)
C Posada
RF Nady
2B Cano
CF Gardner (Not bad for a #9, eh?)

I feel really comfortable with that line-up. If you want, you can replace Abreu w/ Manny. But I like Abreu in this line-up. Also, w/ the Matsui/abreu comparisons: Double Plays
2008: Bobby GiDP’d 14 times in a full season, while Matsui 10 times in 90+ games. Matsui is an even worse DP threat because he can’t walk without a cane with those brutal knee injuries.

So, inconclusion, I say move matsui in any way possible, resignh Abreu for $13-15MM per year and forget Manny, unless you can get Manny cheaper than he’s looking…which I doubt….

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i love the Teixeira pick up…
but if the Yankees want to be the absolute power-house…
then they will sign Manny if his price doesn’t get rediculous…
and at that time Matsui can be traded with cash to make the bullpen even better…
or they can try to make a trade…with Matsui and either Nady or Damon with one of their young minorleague arms and Yuan Miranda…
that could actually bring back a major upgrade for centerfield who could also hit in the lead-off spot…
like Nate McClouth of Pitt. or Curtis Granderson of Detroit or maybe Alex Rios who could be move to centerfield…
the yankee fanatic…

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Rowand would be a great pickup, I hear that he’s a good guy to have in the club house, and with a good glove. Another might be Rocco Baldelli. He wouldn’t be too expensive to sign… I like Nady I would hate to see him go!

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Trade Nady and Kennedy to SF for Rowand. A good deal for both clubs.

SF cuts payroll and gains a very good outfielder plus a decent “wildcard” prospect.

Yanks get one of the best defensive CFers in Baseball who is also a well balanced hitter (great for the #9 spot).

Win-Win.

YankeeBaseball

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Comments from that article:

DonMack

December 24, 2008
5:41 PM
I agree, the Yankees would be awesome with Teixeira, ARod and Manny batting 3, 4, and 5. I don’t like to see Matsui go and I don’t know if any team would be willing to pick up his $13 million dollar salary. I think we could probably trade Nady, Cabrera and Swisher and then rely on Damon, Gardner, Matsui and Manny for our outfield and DH. That would at least make up $10 million, I figure. Then we could forget about Andy Pettitte. Good riddance to him as he was awful last season.

Being somewhat greedy and spoiled, I would also like to add Rocco Baldelli to be our 5th outfielder. According to an article I read, the Cleveland Clinic has diagnosed him with Chanelopathy for which there is a treatment for which could allow him to play regularly again. In that case, Gardner would be a late inning replacement.
.southernyankfan

December 24, 2008
6:20 PM
Trade Matsui. Trade Matsui for Manny. Definitely without a doubt trade Matsui for Manny. But, Pettite awful this season? Maybe…. Still, he had 14 wins and about 5 or 6 one or two run losses that he should have won had the Yanks put up a decent amt of runs. Find a way to keep Pettite. If he takes 10mil a yr and we trade Matsui and get Manny, we are still no higher than last year’s payroll…. Right?
1.) Damon (Look at this years avg)
2.) Jeter (Just say his name 3 times)
3.) Tex (Enough is said in today’s papers)
4.) Arod (Has GREAT year and still gets booed, Best hitter in MLB tied with Pujols)
5.) Manny (Look at this years avg AND hr)
6.) Posada (Look at 07 Avg, before injury)
7.) Giambi (Take back what I said about bringing Pettitte back, bring Giambi back with a big paycut, he’ll take it)
8.) Cano (2009 comeback player of the yr….. Wait and see)
9.) Nady (If this is the lineup, this is BY FAR the best number 9 hitter in baseball)

All star lineup? No….. Best lineup in MLB for 09? No…… This would be the greatest lineup in baseball history and probably the greatest for the next 40-50 years.

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Abreu? Giambi? Swisher and Sui would have be dealt/bench and Manny would have to not be signed. I really don’t want to trade Nady his salary will be manageable.

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oh, and there is STILL a SpEd out there who want’s to re-sign Giambi. Can you say “no pattern recognition”?

Look at the comments:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/touchingbase/2008/12/yanks-could-get-manny-and-stil.html

Link Courtesy Bpark.

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Bpark, I totally agree with you about Matsui-he is NOT a DH as he is only at that spot because he is falling apart.

BTW-the best hitter last year w/ RISP was Abreu, especially w/ two outs. He was the best in the majors RISP w/ two outs. Why the yankees won’t sign him to be DH/RF once per week but will keep Hideki “let’s have a clinic on rolling your wrists over trying to pull an out side pitch” Matsui is beyond me. He’s done- D-O-E-N~~DONE! (to quote Jerome from Manhatten for you nOObs out there)

I think Abreu is a better player than Matsui right now. No one is going to give him 16 million, and if the Yankees do not get Pettite signed, they should re-sign Abreu to play primarily DH, and keep the rotation @ CC, AJ, CMW, Aceves, and hughes (unless he hits the DL again…big softie that he is…) I have actually heard the Yankees will be looking at Mark Mulder…? I don’t get that one…but it shows that they really don’t have confidence in the prospects for 4 & 5….petitte would clear that up….But who the hell knows what Andrew Eugene is thinking right now, he with his 14-14 2008 record.

Dunc-Gardner has the speed you are looking for. I’d like to see him as the #9 and playing some time in CF this summer. Please, please, stay away from Juan Pierre. You you think he’ll be a good aquisition by the yankees, then I have a bridge in brooklyn I’d like to sell you. Real cheap too. You’ll love it.

and I totally agree with Sper about Ms Carolyn Kennedy I mean Ian Kennedy being a good picther some day for another team. He is a head case diva primadonna punk who made it clear he doesn’t give a rat’s sphincter about winning ball games. C’mon, man, do you have to make it that obvious???

Oh, and Pepitone (any relation?), I like the “idea” of Sheets, but my only concerns are: 1) he has never been through the AL grind like AJ and CC, two proven AL pitchers, and 2) he is more injury prone than AJ Burnett-and AJ has changed his approach to preserve his arm-health. So look for him to be the stand out in the rotation, if his new approach works this year, as it did last year.

Good thread.

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1 think for sure, I give Pettitte the benefit, he needs to release a statement clarifying his position and not off the record comments at Torre’s dinner.

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I agree with Saiki on Pettitte. However, Pettitte may be looking for at waiting it out until May and claiming that same 10M for a partial season. Who knows? Pettitte hasn’t spoken and who knows about his shoulder? PLEASE FORGIVE PETTITTE FOR NOT TAKING THE YANKEES MONEY AND NOT PITCHING LIKE SCHILLING DID TO THE RED SOX.

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Ol’ Hickory, Pettitte should say something, release a statement of his intension WHAT HE WANTS and if he has anything to dispute…

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Brian Cashman you are making up for your dumb antics before. I will not comment anymore until the sesaon starts, but as I go off-line, Remember “SPEED” is what the yanks are lacking, they have enough (all though you can’t have to many) hitting, starters and relievers they won 89 games last year. Speed, speed. If I had a wish it would be someone like Sizemore or Rollins.

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If Andy is really interested in joining The Yankees in 2009. He should tell his agents that he will handle his own contract. The $10mil offer is, as I said previously is more than sufficient for a 4 or 5 SP. Salt would be a good addition to relieve Jorge, Who I am hoping will be able to catch at least 80 games. If not he has to be added to the long list of possible DHers (TOO MANY). I don’t see Damon playing too much CF, Gardner & Melky should be good there unless a trade is made for a CFer, and not named Cameron.

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Pierre is making too much, any deals with the Dodgers or anyone would be aimed at dumping contracts. I agree Pierre if he could get on base more would be a perfect lead off like a young Soriano.

Kevin Long is on notice, we need to hit for this staff.

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I think Burnett will be okay, he have learned you do not have to throw everything a 100 miles per hour, something Joba has to learn. AJ can go into a game now knowing he don’t have to throw a shutout with the Yankees offense. Still need some speed to help to run those balls down in the gap, to take the steal and taking the extra base getting pitchers into deep trouble. I use to think Juan Pierre would have been a good addtion, even though he was a track star before he took up baseball, but I don’t like his on base percentage. He have not improve from a good beginning. Jeter and Damon can’t expect them to continue at the pace they once played although its All-Star like performance, they need help.

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If the Red Sox really don’t want Youkallis, maybe we will sign him to play 3rd and move Arod to DH, HA Just kidding.

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Pettitte sort of provides protection against Burnett being a Pavano 2.0 but atleast CC and Wang will still be there if something happens to Burnett.

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Kennadia needs to go to a westcoast team to succeed, he is scared stiff and homesick.

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Even if Pettitte doesn’t sign now, whats to say he doesn’t sign in June?

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I think we are to let Pettitte go, lest not forget he was part of the streoid group, he do not get a pass on that. We slammed Clemens, Bonds and all the rest Giambi and Andy has return to their performance since it all came out. Less put the steroid era to bed and give someone else a chance. Coke looked good for a short time, give him a shot. Everyone of the ball players that was involved in that era is just about out of baseball, no matter what Andy said it don’t matter you cheated like the rest. I love Andy but what is good for the goose is good for the Gander. They kill Manny about in anticts, but he was steroid free. Before they signed Tex, I was 100% behind getting Manny, but now it is time to get some speed in the line-up, stick with Christian and Cabera. Matsui still can hit, can’t run worth a damn, but he hits well when men are in scoring position.

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Tiger, Posada or Damon may need to DH as well for the same reasons.

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IPK will probably be a pretty good SP in the majors some day, but I doubt that will ever be with the Yankees. I think the Yankees should use him as a trade chip to acquire some positional prospects. There’s plenty of teams that need arms in their system far more than the Yankees, and they could probably pull off a fairly solid move with IPK involved. I think the Yankees could pull off a deal with Texas using IPK and 2-3 other prospects to pull Saltalamacchia away from the Rangers, and that would be a smart move in my opinion. Posada is getting old (and who knows how he’s really going to hold up after he recovers from his surgery) and Molina isn’t exactly a young player either. Granted the Yankees have some C prospects in their system (Cervelli, Pilittere, Romine and Montero) but who’s to say that either of those 4 will pan out to be an everday, starting-type player in the MLB? Chances are one of them will be, but will they be able to provide the offense that Saltalamacchia can? I’m not so sure about that. I know the Yankees also signed Kevin Cash, but if they would make a move to get Jarrod Saltalamacchia from the Rangers, they’d be set in that position as well for another 6+ yrs AT LEAST.

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I know the baseball writers need something to write about, but this latest “Pettitte’s return doubtful” story, is either a ploy by Yankee officials to convince Andy to make a decision or it’s just something writers can write for something to say when all is quiet on the MLB front. I personally would rather have Sheets, but feel a loyalty to Andy if he wants to come back. It would be nice if we could afford both and put Chamberlain back in the pen. I still think Hughes will be a star if the Yanks don’t rush him too fast. Also don’t give up on Kennedy. He dominates AAA, but seems to lose confidence in the bigs. He isn’t overpowering and needs to nibble, but loses his command under the pressure in NY. He might still become a decent no. 3 starter.

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Regarding Matsui, he can still hit, and with two surgically repaired knees should be better than past two years. He has been the Yankees best hitter with RISP for a while.
With OF options of Damon, Nady, Swisher, Gardner and Cabrera, why should it be a problem if Matsui is best suited to be a full time DH batting 5th behind Tex and A-Rod?
Why would you want to rsik him to injury in the OF anyway? Let him bat .300/25HR/120+RBI and say thank you.

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Pettitte has had a more than reasonable offer to return for some time, plus a home visit from the GM right the Winter Meetings. (Note that such prior home visits this off season have yielded Sabathia and Teixeiria. Andy was shown respect.)
Apparently Pettitte is getting bad advice from his agents, the Hendricks Brothers, and the Yankees may soon give up and withdraw the offer. I doubt that it will still be on the table into the new year. The ball in in Petitte’s court as to whether he wants to return, as a # 4 or 5 SP, or not.

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The saga with the Yankees this offseason is getting crazy! I don’t know what to believe – I thought it was a given that Pettitte would be back.

Julia
http://werbiefitz.mlblogs.com/

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Ol’ Hickory, if Sui takes Damon spot which I don’t see, Damon moves to center.

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Boston unable to re-sign Youkallis.

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Sper33, I agree $10 mil is more than fair..He must prove himself.
Matsui is right now an unknown factor, We’ll know in ST exactly what condition he’s in, and whether or not he can be considered as part of the OF in 2009. If he can be a player, it will make a huge difference in our OF makeup. What happens to Damon?, who will lead off? Many new ??? arise.

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So the signing of Pettitte was “inevitable” a few days ago, but now it’s “doubtful?” I honestly don’t know what to believe any more!

http://janeheller.mlblogs.com

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I doubt that one bpark. I think Matsui will be able to play LF 1 game a week, but not more than that. I don’t think Pettitte is worth $16mil/yr., sorry Andy. Mussina made $11mil. last season, and posted a 20-9 record with an ERA under 3.4, while Pettitte made $16mil. and posted a 14-14 record with an ERA of 4.54. Seems kind of ridiculous to me that he would still want $16mil/yr. at this point in his career. Nothing against Pettitte, he’s been a good Yankee and a good pitcher throughout his career, but he’s on the back end of his career and should know that he’s not a front of the rotation guy anymore. He would come in and be the Yankees’ #4 or #5 starter this season. I honestly feel that 1 yr. at $10mil. is a more than adequate deal for him at this stage in his career, and with the recent additions to the Yankees’ family, he should be jumping all over this chance.

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Another thing on Sui, Ruben Sierra was the most protypical DH and Torre was able to use him in OF to give other people days off, Matsui can’t even play OF once a week.

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The NY papers are agents of the Steinbrenners, they are trying to send a message to Pettitte to take it now if you want it. Pettitte really wants to return and likes the additions. I expect an agreement in 48 hours.

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BTW before anyone advocates trading/dumping Matsui, note that with he is probably the Yank’s best hitter with RISP (recall 2008 issues?). With now two surgically repaired knees, he could be ideal # 5 hitting DH behind Teixeiria and A-Rod. (Add Posada batting 6th, if he can still catch), Cano 7th (if he can reurn to 2007 level/potential) and this Yankees 2009 could be an Offensive Jugernaught (sp??).

By tigernyc@mindspring.com on December 26, 2008 6:42 AM
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He’s not a protypical DH, he is only DH’ing because he is worn down. We may be in the same situation with Posada and hopefully not be Damon and his nagging injuries.

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Pettitte wants 14M, the Yankees may go as high as 12.

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I have nothing against Tex, CC and Burnett. My problem is with the length of the commitments, even more than the dollars/year. My big 3 would be Pettitte, Fuentes and Ramirez because they are all contracts that we could get out of quickly.

Each of those 3 could still happen. Pettitte has an offer, some expect Manny could still get one. Fuentes is making no headway with Anaheim and his price drop significantly, he may not even get to close, Fuentes is way better than Marte who we could move if got Fuentes.

By bpark23@gmail.com on December 26, 2008 10:44 AM
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And with that I will route for CC, Burnett and Texiera.

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HAPPY KWANZAA!

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