Stoking the Hot Stove

Yes, there’s still baseball being played out there — and some very good games, to be honest. But at 161st Street and River Avenue, the page is already being turned to 2009, and it’s time to start giving a little thought to what the Yankees might be doing this offseason.

We’ve all heard the C.C. Sabathia/A.J. Burnett talk ad nauseum, but it’s not going anywhere soon. And not much will develop with the Yankees’ own free agents — Bobby Abreu, Jason Giambi, Mike Mussina, Andy Pettitte, etc. — for weeks. But here are a few interesting tidbits spinning around the Internet today:

Ken Rosenthal examines the curious case of Robinson Cano, who finished the year hitting .271 only after finally tweaking his stance and going on a September surge. Cano doesn’t look at ’08 as a bad year for him, but pretty much everyone else did. The fact that Joe Girardi had to bench him for lack of hustle raised eyebrows, but this is still a young, talented player signed to a reasonable contract.

It’s not surprising that, as Rosenthal reports, virtually every team has expressed interest in trading for Cano if the Yankees put it on the table. If they move Cano for a starting pitcher, Orlando Hudson seems to be the favorite to slide right into second base; sources close to Hudson say that he’s already given some thought to New York.

Derek Lowe, anyone? Old friend Larry Bowa seems to think he’d fit in pinstripes. Since the Bombers are going to target starting pitching in a big way, you can at least pencil Lowe on the ‘maybe’ list … probably between the likes of Ben Sheets and Jon Garland.

Someone is kicking around the idea of trading for Pittsburgh’s Nate McLouth, the New York Post reports. Though the report is “premature,” some answers will need to be found in center field this winter. It seems apparent that the Yankees are moving away from Melky Cabrera for at least the time being and there’s a feeling that Brett Gardner may not be the guy for everyday duty.

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BRYAN!!! WRITE SOMETHING!! I NEED BASEBALL!

My Rams are pathetic. Can Jim Haslett do anything? We’ll see…. But it’s been a LONG weekend with nothing new. MAKE SOMETHING UP!! :)

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Ok cameron already sucked in new york once, his the same player. C.C. pack your bags, welcome to new york, along with mark teixeira… Sorry Giambi, you’re no Tino. Joba love ya but, do as posada says, stay as a reliever.

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Well CC loves fun and seems like he’s staying with the Brewers. Let’s see how to sell NY??? Erm $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ + he might make the postseason more than once every 30 years like Milwaukee

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Plus, that is not even on the Yankees’ mind. A-Rod loves N.Y., despite all the ridicule.

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I agree Candy. No way A-Rod gets traded! Who would bat foruth and protect the guys around him ( 3rd and 5th hitters ). You can bet your *** that Abreu doesn’t come up with the production he did without A-Rod behind him. Same for Nady. Stop all this bull, the guy plays for your own team and has the same thing in mind as you: a championship! Stop the nonsense.

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DODGERS BABY! Torre’s club has swept the “almighty” Cubs. Pfff! No way this Peavy thing happens. Cano, Hughes and Joba would be the starting point. Like I said, one ML player does not make the production of three ML players. When will GMs ever get that notion? Melky, Gardner, Kennedy and A-Jack is more like it. Even then, it hurts.

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“Is there any team out there that would take Arod off our hands, if we agreed to pay his whole salary? All I would ask in return is one pitcher”

I can name 29. Why wouldn’t you take one of the best hitters in baseball, for a decade, for free, for one pitcher? Besides unless that pitcher is Peavy or something why would the Yanks say goodbye to $300 million??? That could get you CC, Burnett, Garland & Lowe for the next five years. Stop beating up on A-Rod anyway. So what he was useless with RISP this season. 07 he gets the MVP and single-handedly carries the team until the All star break when the SP picked up. He’s going to be the leader of this team in 09 regardless of how good a season he has because he’s that much better than everyone else in New York. You might as well lock in that 35HR 100RBIs now. Nevermimd the fact that he plays gold glove calibre 3rd base now.

This whole team doesn’t need revamping, it just needs some starters, some injection of youth and some smartening up. The Rays had no 40+ HR guys, no 15 game winners and no one batting over 300…doesn’t seem like a recipe for success but great defence and timely hitting makes up for a lot

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Go Torre Go!!!!!!!
Girardi well GO HOME!!!

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Is there any team out there that would take Arod off our hands, if we agreed to pay his whole salary? All I would ask in return is one pitcher.
He may have a no trade clause, but if he doesn’t agree, I would make it clear that he will not bat 4th. More like 6th or 7th. He’ll get the message and get out on his own.

And Abreu is asking for 4 years? How about 4 months? The guy is an outfielder who is afraid of the wall. Not a great attribute for a right fielder in Yankee Stadium.

As far as all this discussion about Posada, he will be a negative behind the plate. Remember, he couldn’t throw out runners when he was healthy. For most of his career, he was at the bottom of the league in that category. His bat is good, but his arm is not. After getting cut on, the best he can hope for is to be as good as before, which was not that great.

Also there is talk of Gardner not being an every day guy. Bull. He should be at the top of the lineup, getting on base, and stealing at every opportunity.

It’s time to get some quick young players in the lineup. We can’t depend on a 3 run homer every day, we have to start manufacturing runs. We have to do something to stretch the defense and make them break. Give them a chance to make errors.

Speed, bunting, hit and run, hitting to the opposite field, all put pressure on the defense to come up perfect. And no one is perfect.

Time for the Yanks to look at other teams who are successful. Look at how many changes they make each year. They are not afraid to move older players. They’re not afraid to let their triple A stars play.

Teams like the Angels and, yes, the Red Sox make changes even after a successful season. Why do the Yankees believe that every player has to retire as a Yankee?

Giambi, Damon, Abreu, Irod, all old and getting older. Dump them along with Arod and let’s get younger.

I love Andy, but I think he’s seen his best days on the mound. Time to retire.

I don’t think Moose will come back. He has his 20 win season and if he comes back, he will be chasing 300 wins. And as he says that would be a 3 year commitment. I don’t think he will do it.

Watch the winter leagues and I think you’ll see a pitcher or two that could make the club next season. The Yanks have a few good young pitchers that need a little work. Just one of them added to Wang, Chamberlain, perhaps Aceves, and one free agent would give the Yanks enough pitching to win, as long as we can get the position players to hit with RISP! If Moose comes back, that’s a bonus.

We need to change our approach, it isn’t working. And as they say, “If you always do what you always did, you’ll always get what you always got.”

Stupidity is when you continue to do the same thing over and over and yet expect different results. Let’s get smart!

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Dodgers have advanced to the next round with Torre leading them. This is the first time since 1988 the Dodgers have made it out of the first round. Did the Yanks management make a mistake? Dodgers will most likely play the redsox in the WS.

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Yo guys… I’m seeing alot of McLouth speculation out there. It would be a great acquisition, but what would it take to get him? A Melky for Mclouth swap, with some prospects included? With a Teix signining, we’d fill two holes in one full swoop. I really do not agree with the Derek Lowe suggestions. Why in the HECK would they look past Burnett, CC and others for LOWE? Goes to show you how dumb writers can be after sounding so intelligent on one end.

I’m skeptical that we can even signs CC, the powers is in his hands in the end. All we can hope for is that he signs based on his hefty salary and a chance to play for the Yanks. Burnett and Lowe are a lot easier to lure.

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Hi. I really like your blog. Anyway, I think the best free agent the Yanks can get in the offseason is Oliver Perez. He would be the best fit for our team. Dominant lefty with great stuff. Think about the tough lefties the Yanks need to get out. Ortiz, Markakis, Huff, Carlos Pena, etc.

http://gardnerformvp.mlblogs.com

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If the Mets really want him, we can sign him and trade him for Santana, NOT.

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Why not. He’s only going to come for the $$$. I think the Mets bullpen will put him off if he’s truly concerned about wins etc…Dodgers seems like a good fit if they can afford him.

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Now that Tampa Bay is in the playoff the players will want more money to stay there. With the low number of ticket sales they will not be able to keep the good players. Same problem for the Marlins every year. Why should the Yanks spend big bucks on over the hill players when young ones are available due to budget constraints?

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One more win and Torre will knock out the Cubs. Makes one wonder if Torre was still the manager of the Yanks would they be in the playoffs? Instead Yanks have an immature manager who should spend time in the minors. H & H should run a team in the minors first to learn when to keep quiet and when to speak. Lack of skills could be said of all in management positions.

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The Yankees are not afraid of ten year contracts……with health insurance!

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I dunno what to say. Kind of tired of talking aboout all of this FA stuff. It’s a little overwhelming right now… so far, I like what I see out of Teix. But is he worth 8 years at the age of 29? 160 Million dollar years? Probably. As long as we make the right moves with our farm system, and get some position players developing at the rate our pitchers do. First baseman prospects are hit-or-miss ( since they are less athletic and depend greatly on their plate approach and physical stength ), but we don’t necessarily have to develop any specific postion players, we just need to develop players. You know what I mean? If not, we’ll find ourselves in the same situaion, an aging first baseman and no internal remedies, forcing us to go out and buy another star player, and lose a draft pick.

Teixeira is the exception, simply becuase of the tools he brings to a team. With Cashman’s developmental genius, ( so he claims ) it’ll be on him to develop some players by the time ( presuming he signs ) Teix is gone. We need a firstbaseman, and it’s likely Boras will go to the highest bidder. Cash’ll have to get it done.

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If Saltalamacchia is available, I expect Boston to pull out all of the stops. They have nobody behind Varitek.

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Matt,
At best I see Cervelli at SWB starting 2009. If he had a full year this year he may have already made the jump.
I know you’re high on Laird, but he’s a career .255 hitter so we’ll likely see what Posada can do first!

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BP,
I make no attempt at understanding player egos!

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Track Yankee prospects playing in Fall/Winter leagues:
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=nyy

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Pudge got paid in Detroit, Al Leiter among others came to spring training and called it a career. Pudge would probably just want an oppurtunity after what happened in Detroit and his age.

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Pudge is close to done. He will pick his situation. Marlins may appeal more but like Molina said last year, Pudge claims to have developed friendships. I hear he wants to return and if its low risk why not?
Abreu wants a 4 year deal. We MAY offer 2.

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I already posted that I think Pudge is fastball happy and Robertson was proof. But, just in case for low $$$, sure! Someone will likely outbid us though!

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Garland is worse than Vazquez and don’t give me his Angels numbers.

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Robert, what you think on bring Pudge back as a non roster invite or low salary just in case?

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Long term at C is either Montero or Romine who both played at low A this year. Romine missed some time and will play in the AFL starting 10/7.

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Is Cervelli the long term catcher? If so, we do need year to year catchers.

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Even though Pudge struggled working with the young pitchers and his offense suffered because of this, if you ask the young pitchers, they learned alot from Pudge.
I questioned whether Pudge even had a win at first but if we can get him back for nothing, I take him over Moehller and Cervelli and like I said if Posada can play, we can always cut Pudge. We will likely have to carry 3 catchers again unless Posada is on the DL.

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I want Molina’s brother. We had them talking at the deadline but Detroit was ready to make a deal.
Posada has a 4 year deal, he isn’t going anywhere but we need to protect ourselves.
Bengie Molina, with Pudge as fall back.

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Lets play PTI’s % that Arod plays out his contract.
I am going say 2%. I think he will try to get out of it or we will move him.

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Sorry to jump on you Bryan. I just know that some shoulder injuries make it tough to catch and throw. I guess it depends on the type of injury and severity. Anytime there is surgery involved I get nervous. If not Pudge, the Yankees should have a plan B and keep Molina as a backup. Otherwise, WHAT HAPPENS IF MOLINA GETS HURT? Cervelli? Great.

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Tino is a good candidate to join Sojo in the Bronx. I can’t believe Long is not being reassigned. Our offense was terrible.

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Paul O’Neill stuff is bogus. No one has actually asked him to be the bench coach. If asked, I believe he would take it. Mattingley said for years he didn’t want to be hitting coach, now he is in LA.

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Ever team becomes a base stealing team until Posada proves he can throw them out.

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Molina may do the bulk of the catching against base stealing teams in 2009.

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We’re playing with fire here, I hope Posada can catch again but look at all the nfl players who were done after one shoulder surgery. Whats the point if base stealers get a free pass? We need a plan B and Molina should be our plan C.

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I wouldn’t worry about him catching above his head, since the surgery is on his throwing shoulder. But you make a fair point. 120 games is awfully optimistic. To me, if Posada is able to catch 80 games, anything else would be a bonus.

By bombersbeat on October 3, 2008 2:40 PM

Do catchers catch, block with one hand or 2? We have alot of wild pitchers. Molina knows, he got hurt going after a wild pitch. It is too optimistic. Posada is our DH, possibly our 1st baseman, in a perfect world our catcher.

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I am going to stay out of the Man-Ram/Cam debate, the organization will evaluate them both.
As far as pitching…CC, Sheets, Burnett especially and Peavy, they are just not worth it. Didn’t we learn from Pavano?
Dodgers are going to win the series, Manny might reup.

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Molina should remain a part time player. My preference is to keep Pudge around, even as a non roster invite. No one will sign Pudge, maybe the Marlins? If we don’t need him, he can retire.

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I wouldn’t worry about him catching above his head, since the surgery is on his throwing shoulder. But you make a fair point. 120 games is awfully optimistic. To me, if Posada is able to catch 80 games, anything else would be a bonus.

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Well well well Matt, we would appear to agree on both Cameron and CC. I think CC is finding it’s easy to be all about the numbers in the NL and it sounds like he’s liking what he sees. I’ll go and be a perennial all-star, win a CY or four and if I get lucky, maybe a ring.

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Leave Manny on the left coast where he belongs. If signing him is what it takes to win a ring next year, I’ll wait. Thanks but no thanks.

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Atleast within a year of rotator cuff surgery.

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Bryan, what is your experience/knowledge of shoulder injuries? I don’t want to be the party pooper but I will be surprised to see him throwing out base runners and catching above his head. He might catch but how effectively?

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Posada will begin a throwing program Dec. 1.

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Arbitration for everyone?

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How does anyone know if and when Pos can catch? Shoulder injuries can take 2 years to completely heal. Just raising his hands above his head will be a challenge, let alone throwing. Bring back Pudge on a 1M contract. Cut him if Pos is ready.

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Is Moose going to ask for a divorce?

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Cam is a solid backup

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Newsday: Sojo replacing Pena, Pena moving to third.
Mail: Yankees looking at Lowe blow Red Sox reject.
Post: Cameron in center.

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Yeah! Let’s sign a 36 year old center fielder! What a GREAT IDEA! Cameron isn’t an option and would go completely counter to everything Cashman says he’s trying to do. Cameron is old(er) and expensive.

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