Posada: Keep Joba in the bullpen

Jorge Posada taped a YES ‘CenterStage’ this morning in New York and was into the ‘Hit and Run’ word association segment with host Michael Kay when the name Joba Chamberlain came up. Posada’s immediate response was very telling: “Keep him in the bullpen.”

Pressed for a follow-up, Posada explained, “If you start him for 200 innings, he’s not going to be able to. You’re going to lose him. He’s going to get hurt. I don’t see him as a starter.”

Posada said he expects to be catching on Opening Day at the new Stadium, not playing first base or DHing. He also called for the Yankees to acquire one or two of the
top-flight free agent starting pitchers on the market — hello, CC
Sabathia and A.J. Burnett … and toss Ben Sheets into the conversation as well. 

“Let’s get the pitching first and then fill in the holes,” Posada told Kay. “With the lineup we have, if we get a five-man rotation, we’ll be fine.”

The full episode airs on Sept. 28 after the Yankees’ final regular season game.

The Yankees have not officially decided what they’ll do with Chamberlain in 2009, but if the plan is to make him a starter — and the organization has repeatedly said that’s how they see him — he will have to follow a program much like he did in 2008 and transition into the rotation at midseason. 

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Joba needs to be a starter next year. We have plenty of possible relievers next year, Coke, Hughes, Aceves, Ramirez, Bruney, Marte, and Rivera. When Joba was starting he was one of the best in baseball. It is also a guranteed sell out every time he pitches. If we are lucky enough to sign Sabathia (which I think we will) that will give us the best 1,2,3 men in the league with CC, Wang, Joba. Joba will be the best pitcher in baseball in a couple years, he needs to be starter, and needs to be the man to usher in the new Yankee stadium next year. Go Yankees!

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Actually, they are 4-9 (they ended August with wins again the O’s).
But the fact is, we win games and the Ray’s continue to lose we WILL find ourselves with a ticket to October. We’d be in the thick of a pennant race if we were in the Central and winning two more against the Sox will put us in a position to over take the Rays should they continue to slide. We still control our own destiny.

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I don’t know if anyone has cared to noticr but the Rays are 4-12 entering todays matchup with Beckett. If they mirror that record for the rest of the season they will end with 92 W’s. They have 14 games left including a rain out game against Baltimore. Then again they can end up with 102 W’s. It looks like the Yankees 1% chances are still alive.

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I’m willing to give Cano another chance. Immature for sure. Lacking direction (and perhaps attention?) that Bowa gave him? I would say so. I don’t think Girardi is a stupid man. But it’s clear he’s the opening day guy in 2009 so let’s work with that. I’ll say it again, this team had the talent to compete and contend, even with the injuries we had. If we’d approached the 900 run mark we’d surely be in a post season spot already. Do we have the pitching staff to carry us thru October right now? Probably not. But we’d likely have gotten there. Cano is finishing the first year of a 4 year, $30M contract. If he sucks, his trade value is “Browned” or “Pavanoed”. If he had a bad year but still has potential, I’d be happier giving him another chance here than trade him for yet another NL pitcher who can’t throw in the AL let alone in the Bronx. My prediction is he’s the starting 2b-man in 2009 so let’s drop it. If he continues to suck next season, he’ll be gone by the trade deadline as we eat up most of the $15M still owed him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cashman go. I guess I thougth it was already a forgone conclusion that he was staying. I wouldn’t be sorry to see him go either. I’ll take Damon at 1b. Send him to the AFL and let him get some stick time. Matsui as DH. Nady in left, Melky in CF, someone else in right.

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btw reading some of the other Yanks blogs it appears he revulsion for Cano’s performance is universal. For example, one blogger wrote:
“I don’t like Cano anymore and would love to see his lazy butt traded. He plays with such a lackadaisical attitude and it bothers me. He doesn’t try when he plays and he’s an absolute disgrace. He so disgraceful that Joe Girardi had to pull him from the game for lack of effort. He is not a Yankee and should not be on the Yankees anymore with an attitude like that. Get rid of him as soon as possible. These are not the type of players the Yankees need. He’s the face of the unsuccessful Yankees this year.”

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Yes that is right, Girardi did help fartsworthless reach relative mediocrity. How he can have such mediocre results while throwing 97-100 mph is beyond me. it seems like he would just have to get the ball over the plate once in a while with that kind of stuff. Regarding May-Rod, formerly known as E-rod when he led the league in errors, i think he gets booed because of the selfish way he extorted the Yankees organization for more money and more years on his contract (which will bring him well beyond his prime years) and then immedietly having a season where his production drops dramatically.

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I am sure glad Cano was not in the lineup. Good move by Girardi in my humble opinion. As another major Yanksees blog writer said the other day (or close anyway): “Cano’s performance this year has not only been a disgrace, but a nightmare as well”

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Good Point!

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well at least the Yanks are tied for 3rd not 4th

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To add INSULT to INJURY the Red Sox are NOW tied for first..

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As for the line up struggling, it id his job to Motivate the players and bring them through tough times, HE DID NOT!

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I would NOT give him the year. He he stumbles early I would get rid of him then, The Yankees can NOT afford to wait the whole year.
As for Farnsworth I will give you that one, Girardi loved him adn I still can NOT believe he CRIED when he was traded? WTF

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He got Farnsworth performing to a level where he had some trade value?

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I don’t know about managers. I think anyone struggles with our lineup’s performance. I’d say give Girardi at least another year and if we fail again with a fitter, stronger team then get him out. I mean look at Joe Maddon, everyone is pouring love on the Rays’ performance but that guy lead them to 197 defeats in 2 years previously

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rocketman,
what do you think of Valentine he can kick butt? I agree we need someone who is NOT afraid of the talent of the team.

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To Anybody,
Can anybody come up with 3 things – ANYTHING – that Girardi has done right this year? Good things? Good Moves? Just 3?? And don’t say missing the 2nd and 3rd game because he could NOT come out of the Club house because he was sick?

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rocketman,
ok we tied on that conversation!

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They Must be babying Joba for a reason, and that is SCARRY???

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rocketman,
sounds like you are describing Girardi in your little post there. HMMM let me see OH yea Girardi could not work though adversity or straighten the situation out, OH yea he did he benched Cano after 150 games WOW what a manager I want him for the NEXT 3 years to lead this team!! I guess he will wait until the end of the year when the Yank are in 4 place to start making points…

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Don’t forget he leads the Majors in hitting into Double Plays with runners in scoring position to end the inning! Oops! Did not mean to rain on your prade! But come on if he Wnats the BIG BUCKS and PUTS HIMSELF in that position I think the FANS have the right to BOO all they want!!! Remember he wanted the MONEY and the FAME that goes with it so OH well, let him take it like a MAN! Let him prove the fans wrong. Oh yea we have to wait until next year , thanks partly to him for not HITTING when it counted – This boy CAN NOT HANDLE PRESSURE!! Remember LASt year was to date his only good year with the Yankees?? Explain that??

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Well, first of all, he was one of the best Yankee hitters in the playoffs last year (which is pretty sad), and second if you’re going to boo based on contracts, then why doesn’t Giambi get booed every time he gets out? How about Jeter? Arod’s having a WAY better season than those two this year and they don’t get booed. What about Pettitte? Has his performance lived up to his contract? Either don’t boo Arod, or boo EVERY underachiever.

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Well I see where Aceves and Coke pitched well tonight against another possible playoff team. Does this mean our great GM might offer them up in a trade for a washed up veteran? Not joking I would not put it past Crashman. There two guys need to be looked out next year to fill some slots on this pitching staff. As far as Joba is concerned, for God sakes will someone in this organization make a dam decision and either make him a starter from the start of the year or a setup man/heir apparent for Rivera. But make a decision and stick to it. This indecision just points out how screwed up the upper management of this club really is!!!! MAKE A DECISION AND STICK WITH IT!!!!!!

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How much is A-Rod’s contract worth? He has to do a little better than fail to move over runners and go 0-4. He is supposed to be the best hitter in baseball. As for last year’s MVP, that was great, but what happenned to him and the rest of the team come October?

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Hey Yankee fans. I would just like to reiterate the fact that you are making yourselves look like complete fools right now. You boo Arod for going 0-4 today. He’s leading the team in batting average, home runs, RBIs, on base percentage, slugging percentage, and runs. Is he having his best season? No. Has he struggled in “clutch” situations? Yup. Has he still been the most consistent, productive offensively player all year long? Yup. But that’s ok, he’s struggled in a small percentage of his at bats THIS ONE SEASON and he did win the MVP all way back to last year (it’s been a while!). Like I’ve said before on this blog. I haven’t heard John Stirling talk about the Yankee fans being smart like he used to.

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I see Girardi is drawing praise for his pull of Canoe. I felt it was the right move to make but much like the seasons theme “to little to late”. I have a theory that might not seem so far fetched. Girardi pulled the courage to send the Melkman to the minors and of recent Canoes incident. Is it plasuable that he doen’t have the manager intimidation factor towards the seniors? I mean how many times has Bobby lagged I didn’t see Joe-G disipline him? Joe Torres monotone persona was in question but I haven’t seen Girardi blow a single whistle. I couldn’t see Joe scolding Alex or Jeter not even (not that there would be reason to) behind closed doors. Well Nads is a keeper isnn’t she? Aceves, Roberton & Coke is this genuine? All suddenly there’s a pen. I can already see Jeter blaming himself for the season. Well 92 w’s may just cut it. Whom am I kidding Jorge Posada is talking about next year already. In case ya’ didn’t know Barrack Obama has a jump shot!

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Chamberlain should at least be pitching sometime after this season so the organisation have a better idea about his arm before spring training.

You know who Aceves is reminding me of? Kennedy last September…maybe he too can get married, injured then be absolutely dire next year

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Hey, Bryan [Mr. Hoch] …

How are you doing? … Regarding the great Joba debate — In my view, Joba Chamberlain is a “starting pitcher”, and should be left in the starting rotation [not the bullpen] right from the start of the 2009 season … I agree, though, that because of Joba’s lack of many innings this year, 100 or so, it will be difficult to have him in the rotation for the whole 2009 season [based on how the Yankees Organization limits their young pitchers innings] … So, with this in mind, has there been any discussion about Joba Chamberlain pitching in the off-season after the 2008 season ends? … If Joba pitches in the Arizona Fall League, and some other winter league, etc., he will [maybe] be able to build up his innings to about 135-150 for the 2008 season, which will help him have enough innings this year, to pitch a full season in the rotation in 2009, and in the future … I think, pitching in the off-season, would solve the “innings limitations” that the Yankees Organization has placed on Joba Chamberlain !!! … Jimmy [27NYY] …

http://baseballtheyankeesandlife.mlblogs.com/

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It only took Girardi what 150 games to discipline Cano??? WTF!!! Come on!!

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Well than there IS a Comparison- The players do not respect Girardi either! Like I said before, most of the Latin players were against Randolph on the Mets BECAUSE of the discipiline of Reyes, which Randolph was right.

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Yea I guess we are copmparing Randolph to Girardi. And I do not think there is a comparsion, Randolph is MUCH better. Listen the GM has nothing to do with some of the BONE head moves Girardi made this year. He is still A Mental Midget to me. And I guess alot of other people and writers around the area will agree, MANY articles are coming out this week Highliting Girardi’s Defiencies! There are MANY! Hire Willie, make him bench coach and when Girardi goes into his mental misques and loses the respect of his players AGAIN than we already have someone MORE capable to take over!

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How come nobody here mentioned the FACT that Cano is NOT in the lineup tonight?

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It does not matter if the players like the manager as long as they respect him. How can an average player get respect from a lineup of allstars and HOF future members?

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Willie has the 2nd highest win percentage in Mets history behind Davy Johnson. Where does Girardi stand percentage wise?
Goose the Hall of Fame pitcher also says Joba should stay in the pen. I guess he also knows nothing about pitchers.

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I agree he should be in the pen. Whoelse is going to take Mo’s role when he is gone? This organization needs to make a freakin’ decision and stick w/ it. I say resign pudge and either let molina go or use him as a 3rd. Crazy things will occur during the offseason that’s for sure. I am anxious to see what moves will affect this roster after the season, and more importantly what changes will be made with management.

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Also I think Posada knows a little bit about his pitching staff, I would listen to him OVER any of the UPPER MANAGEMANT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK… He is someone who works, talks, studies with them I think he has a good idea what performance would suit them best for the TEAM..

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I think a BIG problem with Willie was Reyes. Willie had the BALLS ( something Girardi is Lacking) to pull him and I do not think it sat well with the other Latin players? I think he also got greef from the UPPER management about it also, HIS hands were tied with Reyes. Here the Yanks won’t intefere and I know the Players Respect him. I think Hank, Hal or Crashman should at least place him as bench coach to help Girardi, after all Girardi showed this year HE NEEDS all the HELP he CAN GET!

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YANKEES WEEKLY TV SCHEDULE EDT
9/15 – MON – 7p – YANKEES vs White Sox  – YES
9/16 – TUE – 7p – YANKEES vs White Sox  – MY9
9/17 – WED – 7p – YANKEES vs White Sox  – YES
9/18 – THU – 7p – YANKEES vs White Sox  – YES
9/19 – FRI – 7p – YANKEES vs Orioles  – MY9
9/20 – SAT – 1p – YANKEES vs Orioles  – YES
9/21 – SUN – 8p – YANKEES vs Orioles  – ESPN

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Oh… kind of forgot about that innings limit thing. Wasn’t that just for this year?

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If Joba starts in the Opening Day rotation, there’s no way he can make 30 starts without hitting his innings limit, believed to be around 150. Of course, if Joba was coming up in any different era, he wouldn’t have an innings limit. But that’s a discussion for another day.

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Posada… the kid was a starter his whole career. Yes, he got a little tendinitis, but that’s more likely from not STARTING the season as a rotation pitcher, instead transitioning into one. It’s almost like going from hot to cold instantaneously… you’re going to get sick; His arm got sick. Believe me, this kid beats guys like Beckett and has way too much talent for a reliever. No way this guy stays a reliever, especially with the organization vision of him as a starter.

Likely outcome: Joba trains as a starter in the spring and is a starter from the beginning of the season.

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What hurts the most is that we won’t be competing in the October this year. The rest is meaningless… I’m switching gears to the Giants ( football, that is ) which have started the season 2-0 via consecutive blowouts. Super Bowl hangover my ssa. Meanwhile, Ned Yost gets fired and Brett’s Jets cannot score a TD. Patriot’s defense was shutdown yesterday… man. Blah… anyway… baseball; Let’s finish the season strong. That’s all we can do is finish strong and show people we aren’t going down easily; The playoffs aren’t in the equation anymore.

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I clearly can’t type today. You all know what I mean.

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What hurts worse?
1) The Yankees not making it to the playoffs only to get swept by ANAHEIM.
2) The Redsoxs winning the East again.
3) Redosox actually beating the Angels and thus winning another ring.
We all know the winner of that series takes the trophy.

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WILLIE, WILLIE WILLIE……… thats all I have to say!!!

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The Yankees will NEVER get out of the TANK until they change there upper orginazation! I mean ALL levels. What a joke this orginazation has BECOME!! Like I said MANY MANY times before H O L L Y C R A P !!!!!!!

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Look like me and Posada agree about Joba. He will make the Hall of Fame as a relief pitcher or go down as someone who never reach his potential because of arm trouble. Ben Sheets very good pitcher, been hurt a little, I agree again with George. CC (like to hit- dodgers??) Burnett like him too.
Like to Humberto given a shot. Roy Oswalt (injuries of late)?? Starting Pitching everything else will fall into place.

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Todd,
Take this twice a day for three days then call me:

http://riveraveblues.com/2008/09/11/blowhard-rieber-forget-innings-limits-4372/

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This whole Joba thing JUST SHOWS how screwed up this WHOLE orginazation really is! The Yankees NEED someone in here to controll ALL the AMIMALS including the Ownership… I say make Gene Michaels GM again, let him straighten it out! HOLLY C R A P !!

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