6/3 – Joba vs. the Jays

No matter how you want to slice that one up, in the words of Joba Chamberlain, “It wasn’t very good.”

Chamberlain lasted only 2 1/3 innings and walked four, derailed by a 38 pitch first inning. He threw 16 in the second inning and eight in the third. What really seemed to hurt was the fact that Joba only threw a first pitch strike 50 percent of the time. As he’s said, he tends to run a lot of deep counts and that’s not particularly conducive to going deep into games as a starting pitcher.

Dan Giese made his Yankees debut, coming on in relief of Chamberlain with one out and a runner on first in the third inning. He allowed one earned run in a career-high 3 2/3 innings, allowing five hits and a walk. Derek Jeter (2-for-5) recorded his 2,415th career hit with a ninth-inning single, tying Mickey Mantle for third place on the Yankees’ all-time list.

Mike Mussina and Jesse Litsch are at it on Wednesday at the Stadium. Jorge Posada will be there, active for the first time since April 27.

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I think Billy Beane is a better GM by far over Cashman, for reasons I stated earlier. Also have to wonder if he can be as successful as Beane, or successful at all in the smaller markets like Oakland or Kansas City or Pittsburgh. That’s why I really have to question whether he is the envy of other teams around the league. Having the Yanks resources makes all the difference in the world.

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Cashman has made some good offensive moves. Offense wasn’t ever a huge problem of this team. It’s almost always the pitching. I blame that guy for this bullpen. I blame him for the current predicament of the starting rotation. He’s never done anything WOW in terms of pitching.

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Chaz,

It’s too soon to apply it. And yes, our director of scouting was hired in Winter 2005/2006. I mentioned his name yesterday, Damon Oppenheimer. I have to think some credit for that belongs to Cashman.

I also think our GM evaluates the worth of those pieces against what trading partners want every day. I know I would!

And anyone wanting to know why I defend Cashman, the answer is everyone else is trying to villify him. I’m always up to a challenging debate!

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No I’m not saying that at all. But hoarding your prospects when you have a chance to improve your team with high-quality talent is just as bad as making bad trades, that’s where having baseball smarts comes in. There’s no way of telling if those prospects will end up being busts, if they do then your team will en up being screwed, and people will be wanting your head when you had a chance to improve the team but didn’t.

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Matt,
Yes the talent is years away. I’m willing to wait! Are you saying we should go back to the failed practice of overspending for free agents (including draft picks) or giving away too many prospects in trades?

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Even if the talent is coming throught the pipeline, doesn’t that have more to do with our scouts than it does the GM? And if we have all this talent, shouldn’t we have someone who knows how to apply it? Shouldn’t we have someone who uses the right peices to fill spots on the roster or use extra peices as trade chips?

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Matt,

Boston was sending Ramirez to Texas. And where is Sorias?Cashman outsmarted Epstein?

And I said Cashman’s record is the envy of 28 GMs and owners. Boston is the 29th.

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That talent is years away, we won’t know until then if they will be busts or solid major leaguers. Until them the major league team will struggle, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of that talent will be traded in the near future just to get this team going in the right direction.

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Matt,

The team is developing talent from within. That is not the wrong direction.

Boston has a three year head start. Our position players are still at A, A-Advanced, and AA. The pitchers are just reaching MLB now.

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Once again bpark/sentinel/bpunk’s stupidity shows its ugly head. Nice job genius!!

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BP,

Acevedo had nine saves in April when Rivera was injured. I forget the year!

By RobertGKramer@AOL.Com on June 4, 2008 5:21 PM

He also got released after gviing up homeruns in back to back games when Clemens had a lead going to 300

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well i see that mr. hoch does not have the balls to post a blog about tonights game well well well!!!!

By nycstreet77@aol.com on June 4, 2008 2:40 AM

Excellent job Bryan, despit what another Mattress Susuki alias might say.

Btw, I know Pettitte is a 2nd half pitcher but any thought to moving him to the pen if CC is acquired and once Hughes is ready?

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IF memory seves me correctly, I think it’s because the Yanks were able to put a better deal together, and were willling to pay more on his remaining salary to go along with what Texas was also going to pay him, and they were willing to give up more in Alphonso Soriano, and highly regarded Juaqin Sorias.

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Matt,

So why didn’t Boston complete the trade?

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BD,

Japanese postings are by sealed bids. We expected to win with something like $36M. And I don’t think he’s worth what Boston paid, at least not yet!

And I’ve heard that Toronto has the best pitching in our division. I haven’t confirmed it but, again, the results are all that counts!

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Results are all that matters, and Epstein has outperformed and outclassed, and outsmarted Crashman, the results prove it. In regards to Beane, it’s not an excuse, it’s a fact. If the A’s were willing to spend the type of money the Yanks or Sox spend each year, Bean would have the mix of quality vets and quality of young players to be successful, they were able to do it in the late 80’s, and early 90’s with Canseco, and McGwire.

What I’m saying about Cashman is that he has this team going in the wrong direction. Year after year this team has the same problems, and ends in the same disappointing way. Once again this season started in the same way it has started the past few season. Very slowly. Cashman has once again failed to provide a solid bench or bullpen. In short, it’s the same old thing. We need to get out of this rut and try a different direction. It’s insane to keep trying the same thing with the same results.

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Boston couldn’t pay his full salary? Yes they could, but the Player’s Association rejected the deal because it called for a voluntary reduction in pay by Rodriguez. If the Sox really wanted him they would have had Texas pay for part of his salary like the Yanks did, it didn’t have anything to do with whether the Sox could afford to pay his salary or not. Like I said Johnson was an average pitcher at best, his stats during his second season were through the roof, if he were on any other team he would have been lucky to have won half that total. Rasner is still a question mark. Villone was good? His ERA during his first season with the Yanks was over 5.00 and over 4.00 his second, considering his limited role with the Yanks, those are mediocre numbers. Getting Clemens was another no-brainer like A-Rod was, and getting an early Mussina was good, but making a couple of good moves are completely outweighed by a ton of mistakes, and bad decisions by Cashman.

The Betapuke deal was a mistake by any stretch. It was obvious that he was nor ever will be an everyday starter let alone a benchplayer which all he has ever been. He lacks the talent to be in the majors. Proctor turned his season around after going to the Dodgers and was a much more productive player than Betapuke, and still is. Losing Proctor only made the pen worse, and Betapuke didn’t improve the team since he isn’t a starter. Who cares how high Proctor’s ERA is this season? It’s likely it will go down dramatically down the road, but anyone who knows basball knows it’s a huge mistake to trade a relief pitcher for a part-time player. IT’s a cardinal sin.

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Matt,

My point is you keep insisting Cashman has done nothing good!

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Chaz,

The A’s, Braves, and Cardinals, all multiple championship winners in recent years! NOT!

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Matt,

Now you’re making excuses for Beane! Results are all that counts!

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Matt,

I agree Beane seems talented, but, not the success of Cashman or Epstein! Championships=none, World Series=none, Playoffs=?(I’ll guess 3). Years=?(I’ll guess 7)

And our record this year vs. last? “The Yankees were 24-31 and 12.5 out games out on June 4 last season. They’re only seven out at the moment.” (at 28-30) You said something else yesterday!

Matt,
Your comment on A-Rod is a joke! Boston had the trade with Texas made, but couldn’t afford to pay his full salary?

Brown, Johnson=bad? Clemens (1999), Johnson (17 wins), Mussina, Rasner, Villone=good, to me!

Betemit? We needed a 1st baseman, and a catcher, send Molina back too? Proctor’s ERA right now is 5.61!

Well, I’m tired and it’s time to eat! I’ll be back!

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Beane is more restricted than Cashman, and Epstein are. The A’s aren’t willing to spend the type of money the Yanks or Red Sox are willing to spend. Despite that Beane has still managed to put playoff teams together somewhat consistently, and been able to pull off great trades. Who knows where this team might be if the Yanks had a GM like Beane. I didn’t mention anything about the Yanks won-lost record, you might be thinking of someone else.

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Farnsworth, and Hawkins are two more Crashman mistakes. The beat goes on, and on , and on, and on, and on……

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Matt,

I agree Beane seems talented, but, not the success of Cashman or Epstein! Championships=none, World Series=none, Playoffs=?(I’ll guess 3). Years=?(I’ll guess 7)

And our record this year vs. last? “The Yankees were 24-31 and 12.5 out games out on June 4 last season. They’re only seven out at the moment.” (at 28-30) You said something else yesterday!

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OOOOOOOHHH MON ~~~!

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Chaz,

I thought you would be back by now! In any case all of the moves you cite were prior to Winter 2005/2006 (Cashman’s new contract) and the start of our new direction. Have you got anything from 2006, 2007, or 2008?

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Robert… you might want to stop… these people might E-mob you bro. Take a look at the standings… we’re in ffifth place… exactly why are you defending Cashman? The man with the largest, richest resource zone known to MLB — The Yankee payroll, and has that team in last place? Dude, the Yanks have the type of money to field a rotation of aces top to bottom, an infield of all-stars and an outfield composed of gazelles and still have enough left over to build a powerhouse bullpen.

What this man does not have is baseball smarts. He definitely knows business, but is clueless when it comes to spotting baseball talent. That is why I say e’s better of becoming tthe CEO of a fortune 500 business than fielding a baseball franchise. Okay, I won’t argue with the resume, but when Cash took over in 2001 this team had players that were the doing of other GMs, not his. I’m not going to go over the BAD signing this guy has made over the years ( his doing ) whcih is why we find ourselves in the AL East cellar. I look at Cashman on TV when he’s at home games… he looks like more of a fan who got lucky with a ” become a GM for three years ” opportunity than a REAL GM. He’s clueless.

I don’t know how to say it, but this guy sucks as GM and it shows. BOOOOOOOOO!

I’m going to show you a couple of sigings/ trades Cashman made and what he REALLY should have done:

Igawa:
A star Japanese import who, before last season, was thought to have the skill to carry a weak Yankee rotation, comprised mostly of veterans who no longer had their talent.

What he should’ve done:
Well… he should’ve beat the Red Sox to it in the Dice-K madness. Enough said.

Randy Johnson trade:
Why this was done, I don’t know. Javier Vasquez and CMW would be the best one-two punch out there.

Mussina extension:
Yeah, Mussina had a great 2006 ( he caught ” lightening in a bottle” as you guys put it. But man… here is where his lack of baseball knowledge comes in. Do you really think a veteran of 37 years of age would do that again? Mussina should’ve been left alone that year.

What he should’ve done:
A.J. Burnett was a FA, until Toronto swept him up with his four year deal ( option included ). I shake my head at this one.

Carl Pavano:
Aside from one Ace-ike year, Pavano was really a dependabe innings eater or 3-4 spot type guy, he was never worth that much money, and HE knew that… which is why he’s a Yankee today.

What he should’ve done:
Signed anybody else.

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BP,

Acevedo had nine saves in April when Rivera was injured. I forget the year!

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Chaz,

Your 11:29AM comment has merit. Yes, there are blunders/mistakes, ALL GMs make them. The Johnson trade was dictated by George and you know it! Do you think it’s easy to acquire anyone we want?

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The Red Sox use SABR, The A’s, The Braves, The Cardinals. Tese team I know for a fact employ SABRmetricians. Good pitching and defense = Cashman? Show me YOUR evidence!

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Chaz,

“We need a GM that is well versed in statistical analysis (i.e. SABRmetrics). This is the new world order in terms of seeing developing talent, and evaluating veteran players.”

What teams do you know using this with success? How do you know Cashman doesn’t?

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Pavano and F Weaver we bad but Acevedo actually continued to hurt us like Bruney.

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Acevedo was one of the worst I have seen.

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Betemit is going back to the Dodgers, Torre relunctantly parted with a meal from in and out burger.

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Chaz,

“We need to bring in a GM who will embrace good pitching and defense as a way to combat streaky hitting.”

What makes you think Cashman doesn’t?

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD June 4, 2008

Norfolk (Orioles) 7p
Scranton/WB
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Trenton
Connecticut (Giants) 6:35p
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Clearwater (Phillies) 7p
Tampa
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Rome (Braves) 7:05p
Charleston
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You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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Chaz, Again without reading here’s a repost of my comment on Cashman’s record:

And just what is Cashman’s nine year resume?
2 Championships
4 World Series
9 Playoffs
You might argue the first two years were someone elses club, but, still a record the envy of 28 other GMs and owners. If the Yanks let him go, there will be some openings and, I estimate, at least two owners willing to fire a GM signed for 2009 and hire Cashman!

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Whatever it was, I won’t judge the man any harsher than I did for his stupid trades. I just want a reason for a particular stupid one (Betemit) and that’s the only way I see it a reason.

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Yankees Minor League Standings June 1, 2008

INTERNATIONAL LEAGUE (AAA)
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INT North
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Scranton/WB – 36 – 22 – 0.621 – 0 Yankees
Pawtucket – 35 – 23 – 0.603 – 1
Syracuse – 34 – 23 – 0.596 – 1.5
Buffalo___ – 26 – 32 – 0.448 – 10
Rochester – 24 – 34 – 0.414 – 12
Lehigh Valley – 19 – 39 – 0.328 – 17
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INT South
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Durham – 30 – 27 – 0.526 – 0
Richmond – 28 – 28 – 0.500 – 1.5
Charlotte – 21 – 35 – 0.375 – 8.5
Norfolk – 21 – 36 – 0.368 – 9
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INT West
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Toledo__ – 35 – 23 – 0.603 – 0
Louisville – 34 – 24 – 0.586 – 1
Columbus – 32 – 27 – 0.542 – 3.5
Indianapolis – 28 – 30 – 0.483 – 7

EASTERN LEAGUE (AA)
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EAS Northern
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Trenton – 36 – 20 – 0.643 – 0 Yankees
Portland – 34 – 21 – 0.618 – 1.5
Binghamton – 29 – 27 – 0.518 – 7
New Britain – 27 – 29 – 0.482 – 9
Connecticut – 25 – 30 – 0.455 – 10.5
New Hampshire – 20 – 35 – 0.364 – 15.5
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EAS Southern
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Harrisburg – 33 – 22 – 0.600 – 0
Bowie – 33 – 24 – 0.579 – 1
Akron – 29 – 25 – 0.537 – 3.5
Altoona – 22 – 32 – 0.407 – 10.5
Erie___ – 23 – 34 – 0.404 – 11
Reading – 21 – 33 – 0.389 – 11.5

FLORIDA STATE LEAGUE (A Advanced)
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FSL East
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Palm Beach – 35 – 21 – 0.625 – 0
Brevard County – 29 – 27 – 0.518 – 6
Vero Beach – 28 – 28 – 0.500 – 7
Daytona – 27 – 29 – 0.482 – 8
Jupiter___ – 26 – 30 – 0.464 – 9
St. Lucie – 12 – 44 – 0.214 – 23
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FSL West
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Fort Myers – 38 – 18 – 0.679 – 0
Dunedin – 31 – 25 – 0.554 – 7
Tampa – 31 – 25 – 0.554 – 7 Yankees
Lakeland – 30 – 26 – 0.536 – 8
Sarasota – 26 – 30 – 0.464 – 12
Clearwater – 23 – 33 – 0.411 – 15

SOUTH ATLANTIC LEAGUE (A)
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SAL Northern
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Lake County – 34 – 22 – 0.607 – 0
Delmarva – 31 – 24 – 0.564 – 2.5
Lakewood – 31 – 25 – 0.554 – 3
Greensboro – 28 – 28 – 0.500 – 6
Hagerstown – 27 – 28 – 0.491 – 6.5
Hickory – 27 – 30 – 0.474 – 7.5
West Virginia – 23 – 32 – 0.418 – 10.5
Lexington – 18 – 37 – 0.327 – 15.5
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SAL Southern
Club____ – W  – L  – PCT  – GB 
Asheville – 40 – 17 – 0.702 – 0
Charleston – 37 – 19 – 0.661 – 2.5 Yankees
Augusta – 33 – 23 – 0.589 – 6.5
Greenville – 31 – 26 – 0.544 – 9
Kannapolis – 25 – 31 – 0.446 – 14.5
Savannah – 24 – 32 – 0.429 – 15.5
Columbus – 20 – 36 – 0.357 – 19.5
Rome__ – 18 – 37 – 0.327 – 21

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD June 3, 2008

Norfolk (Orioles) 4
Scranton/WB 0
W: A. Mitchell (5-2, 4.33); L: P. Coke (0-1, 9.00)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_06_03_noraaa_swbaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Trenton 3
Connecticut (Giants) 5
W: S. Palazzolo (4-1, 2.62); L: S. Jackson (0-3, 7.15); SV: O. Matos (6)
HR: CT: T. Ishikawa (5).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_06_03_treaax_nrwaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Clearwater (Phillies) 12
Tampa 5
W: A. Cruse (2-5, 5.14); L: G. Duff (1-3, 2.63)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_06_03_clrafa_tbyafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Rome (Braves) 0
Charleston 3
W: N. Castillo (6-2, 3.08); L: J. Locke (1-7, 4.69); SV: J. Ortiz (17)
HR: CHA: B. Suttle (2).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_06_03_romafx_crdafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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Chaz,

Before I read the rest of this, please rethink your Epstein comment with note that he is only in his 6th year and already missed the playoffs once!

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I think you’re on to something ob. If that’s the case then I’ll give Cashman a break. I mean I’d do the same thing.

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I wonder if Betemit saw Cashman doing things that were R rated? The only way I see him on this team is through blackmail. Why else would Cashman allow him to stay?

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Proctor has a 5.6 ERA right now and is STILL more valuable than Betemit.

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Maybe it’s because the Dodgers got the better of that deal, while the Yanks have gotten nothing from Betapuke!!

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It’s funny because that Proctor for Betemit trade is somehow the most annoying Cashman move for me. I mean trading a relief pitcher for a bench player isn’t as big as getting a Cy Young winner or MVP, but that one demonstrated a complete lack of baseball knowledge. I had actually been fine with Cashman up to that point. I was behind him on the Randy Johnson signing, the Pavano signing, the Abreu/Lidle deal, the fact that he actually got SOMETHING out of both Johnson and Sheffield when their time here was over. However, I just could not see what on earth he was thinking with that one. Proctor had slowly developed into a good, solid reliever and everyone on the PLANET could see the reason he was struggling was because he was overused for two years straight. So then Cashman decides to trade him for a bench player who’s not really a great defender, who’s a HORRIBLE hitter from the right side, who’s a mediocre hitter with some power from the left side, AND who strikes out a lot. It would be one thing if Betemit were Miguel Cairo from several years ago, but he turned out to be Shelley Duncan of THIS year. That just showed bad baseball awareness.

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I’ve noticed another not so pleasant thing occurring with the Yanks…power hitting. The most home runs on the Yankees right now are eleven. A-Rod had more than that in all of April last year. It’s also declining the MLB in general. I know it’s a horrible thing to say but what if the improved steroid policy has something to do with it? If the Yankees can’t even play small ball right, why not get HR’s?? Also the defense has to shape up. If you cant score runs do me a favor and try your hardest to stop the other team from scoring them too. In general, seven games behind first is not too bad. I’d take those odds even in July and August if it’s necessary. But if a team can’t manage to stay above .500 then seven games might as well be seventeen. Just when you think that the record might finally begin to rise, it plummets again. How many games to we have to win in a row to finally establish a stable one? Once were done with Toronto (which is a pretty good team) we have weeks of crap to play with. KC, Oakland, Houston, San Diego, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and the Mets. Some of these teams might have a better record than the Yankees but they are perfectly beatable. And their record is only better because most of them are NL teams. Inter- league is the perfect time to FINALLY get going. You can guarantee that Boston, Tampa, and a lot of other AL teams are gonna take advantage and win those games. The Yankees have to also if they want to even think about competing. I’m looking forward to the results and I’m hoping they’re that gonna leave me happy. I need something to look forward too in the sports world… and for the record I don’t think Joba was all that bad last night. My mom and sports don’t get along very well and once when she came to my tennis match, she cheered when the girl playing against me got a point. That’s what happens when you’re only learned in fashion as a hobby. But I don’t think Harlan had much to do with it…

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As long as the yankees have played the big buck long term contracts,No world series!The team salaries is like gasoline,pay more get less.Why play inspired ball with a fat wallet and guarantine long contract.A Rays,Marlins world series would be great for baseball.Lowest pay rolls and fan Attendance!!

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My parents would make me so nervous sitting in the stands during my games as a kid. In high school, I told them to stay home.

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Joba was WAAAAAYYYYYY to amped up for his start yesterday. Typical young guy with alot of adrenaline, nerves, and a heap of expectations (both by the organization and himself). He’s going to be fine. Did he implode? Or did he punch out a guy with the bases loaded and escape only allowing 1 run? If you would have told me that he threw 38 pitches and I handn’t seen the score, I would have assumed at least 4 crossed the plate. That shows poise, to me. I think we are in good shape down the road with Joba on the Yankees. He will be awesome when he learns to dial it down, and not try and throw pitches through the backstop. How would you pitch with 58,000 fans expecting you to debut with a no-hitter, the team counting on you to flip the season around with one start, the organization telling you one thing and doing another, and you dad in the stands?

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I’m not cheering Joba’s effort, but he is in a much more difficult situation than anyone else on this staff. He should be cut a little more slack.

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rcngolf,

I agree with you, there aren’t too many options out there right now, but we need someone who isn’t a career journeyman or a career minor leaguer. These guys don’t help. This team needs better quality in the pen otherwise we will see an endless parade of pitchers throughout the season. Can we at least get a pitcher who can break a plain of glass?

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Robert,

I’m blowing smoke about Crashman? Why? Is it because I stated true facts about him? First of all, the acquisition of A-Rod was a no-brainer, any GM with Cashman’s resources would have done the same thing, if a GM didn’t he would be a fool. Kevin Brown was a broken down wreck who never was worth the contract the Dodgers signed him to.They couldn’t wait to unload him. Yet Cashman went after him any way. Randy Johnson never fit in as a Yankee, and even though he won 17 games each of the two season he was with the Yanks, he had only one good season. He was lucky to win 17 his last season with the Yanks. I still can’t believe the Yanks trade Mike Lowell for Ed Yarnall? Weaver was an absolute joke while with the Yanks. He also endorsed the Pavano, and Igawa signings. Of course there was the Betapuke deal in which this team dealt Proctor at a time when this team couldn’t afford to lose a relief pitcher. Doesn’t Cashman know it’s always a mistake to trade a pitcher for a mediocre part time player who can’t hit? He has failed to provide a solid bench for this team in recent years as well as a solid pen. He also failed to pull the trigger on a deal with the Padres that would have unloaded Igawa for something, now he has no value whatsoever as he is nothing more than a minor league pitcher. He has also let the farm system get too imbalanced, it’s loaded with quality arms but short on quality position players. The few quality position players are still years away in the lower minor leagues. This limits the organization in terms of what types of deals it can make with other teams since it is short on hitters. He also bought back Clemens last season only to see that idea crash and burn as we all know. As you can see I can go on, and on with his screw ups, and these are only the bigger name screw ups there have been mistakes with lesser known players as well.

Crashman, and any other GM for that matter is the equivalent to a company CEO. He is responsible for the success, and failures of this team. IF he can’t put a successful team together to achieve one goal or if he can’t get this team over the hump as he has failed to do for years he should be replaced just as any company would replace its CEO if it was going in the wrong direction. It’s crazy to stay with the same old thing when it isn’t working

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Not a castoff. Fuentes is a legit setup man. He’s not a closer. He’s not lights out. But, he’s a great reliever.

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And what the HELL is ESPN talking about Brian Fuentes for? Another Rockies cast off?? We need ANOTHER Rockies cast off?

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Matt,
Right now he’s better than 3/4ths of the arms in the pen and let’s face it. “RIGHT NOW” is all we have. We don’t really have a consistenly GOOD reliever (Mo excepted). Pretty much they are ALL “Right now” pitchers. A month ago, Farnsnoworth was Mr. Right Now. Next week, it’ll be someone else. Hell, the ESPN guys were talking about how “hittable” Livan Hernandez was but he still doens’t give up too many runs. I stand by my grading of his performance. Joba has that line and we’re all here CHEERING his effort.

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chaz,

I GM who may fit your description perfectly is Billy Beane with the A’s. He doesn’t have the same success record of a Theo Epstein, but has shown he has a very good eye for talent. He has also shown that he knows how to make smart deals, while at the same time put good teams together, all qualities Crashman doesn’t possess. Most of the years he has been the GM with the A’s they have made the postseason with very good talent, and he has done more with less in terms of a payroll. Just look at this year’s A’s team. No one expected them to do much this season, but they have been competitive with young talent which they acquired through those smart trades Beane made this offseason.
This team has also something this Yankees team hasn’t this season, and that’s energy. Every year the A’s lose a lot of good quality talent, but every year it seems like Beane can put a goo d team together. Just think if he had the Yanks’ resources. Only downside is that he isn’t available.

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I would give Giese, who would rate as a D+ pitcher, a C in his performance. He lacked control, showed how hittable he was ( no change from last season when I saw him pitch for the Giants), and is lacking credible stuff as a relief pitcher, he can’t be trusted as a relief pitcher. This pen has been flooded with that type of pitcher, from Traber, to Igawa, to Ohlendorf to everyone else basically not named Chamberlain or Rivera.

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Add the Tampa brain trust to the equation all you like. Until 2005, you would probably be right in assuming that the rest of the front office had a hand in all these bad deals. Does that make it better? Has Cashman’s newfound “authority” made the team better or worse since 2005? Is Cashman’s title NOT General Manager and Senior Vice-President? Frankly, my boss does not tell me how to do my job. Maybe I’m lucky that way, but if my boss tells me to do something, and I don’t agree with the call, I’ve got backbone enough to call him out.

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Yeah. I honestly was projecting Cano to be the AL’s Chase Utley. Instead he’s just a typical bad ball hitter that every pitcher has scouted. How do you contain Cano? DON’T THROW HIM A STRIKE…..EVER! He’ll chase the first pitch he can reach with his bat, whether it’s off his shoe tops, over his head, six inches off the plate, or on the handle. I’m so angry because he could win a MVP with his eyes closed if he would just stop playing backyard baseball.

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Also Chaz,
You said, “after all, this is basically the same team that won more games than any other franchise after the break last season.” While that is true, last year the Yankees didn’t have the Arod/Posada injuries, Arod was hitting like Babe Ruth, and Posada was hitting like Tony Gwynn. You knew those two weren’t going to do that again no matter how healthy they were. Torre should really have given Arod and Posada all the credit for letting him get to the playoffs one more time. Arod’s done fine (not last year, but come one). Jeter’s been, eh, not great, but really not that bad. Abreu and Matsui are way ahead of last year’s pace which helps a ton, but I still the offensive keystone is…Mr. Cano. He’s just been atrocious this year (like he was last year) and that really creates a gaping hole in the lineup.

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Chaz,
Although Theo Epstein CERTAINLY has outdone Cashman in their respective tenures, you do have remember that 1.) both Kevin Brown and Gary Sheffield were Steinbrenner’s doing and 2.) the only reason Boston got Beckett and Lowell was because Theo stepped down for a few months. Hanley Ramirez was Theo’s project and he’s said that he NEVER would have traded him. It turns out it worked out great for both sides, but if Theo were the GM, the Red Sox would not have the “ace” everyone gives him credit for. Again, before you go thinking that I’m a Cashman fan, I do say that Theo’s done a way better job, ESPECIALLY in the pitching department.

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Said it last fall and will say it again Joba is not a starter.Should have left him where he was.A big mistake!!Maybe I will eat my words.

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Have not been on since last fall.Things are not well in yankee land.Only wish some one would have listen when I said they should unload the High buck players and start anew.Well maybe next year ! Hello Chaz and the rest from Bryans blog

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Golf, Hawkins needs to be cut. Frankly, so does Farnsworth. Geise did all he could do, and Ramirez wasn’t going to have a 0.00 era all year. I would have to aree with your grades.

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So, as for last night. I give Geise a B+. Almost 4 innings of 5 hit, 1 run ball. If Joba had done that his outing would have been a resounding success so Geise deserves some credit. Right now he’s one of the better pitchers we have in the pen. I’ll give Ramirez the benefit of the doubt. He’s pitched very well up to last night. He’s bought himself another chance. Veras I still dont trust. Seems about a 50/50 proposition that he’ll either do well or he wont. Britton seems to be throwing well (but then Ramirez had been throwing well until last night). I still think Ohlendorf needs maturity and work. He had a rough string of 3 appearances but his last 2-inning outing in Minn was good and he’s throwing K’s. Hawkins and Farnsworth? Farnsworth is about 50/50 too. Hawkins will likely not be back next season until he catches lightening in a bottle soon. You know, it seems like our pen is almost right there. Almost. But then it implodes like last night.

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Bob, congratulations, you are officially the LAST Cashman supporter on the face of the earth. Matt did name a GM with a better track record over the last 9 years: Theo Epstein. It is obvious that Cashman has no clue how to structure a starting rotation. The evidence is all over the place. We site examples every day. Johnson? He loses 15 MPH on his fastball the INSTANT he dons pinstripes. Who did we trade to get him? Javier Vasquez, who was young, still in need of development, and who has turned into a pretty damn good pitcher (15 wins last year, a 3.5 era this year so far). Kevin Brown? A ROID head, traded to get rid of another Cashman blunder in Jeff Weaver. Jeff Weaver, by the way, was acquired by dealing away Ted Lilly. Ted Lilly may not be an ace pitcher, but he’s a pretty damn good lefty to have at the bottom of a rotation. Pavano? Do I even need to pour more salt in this wound? How’s 8 million dollars per win taste, I wonder? How many more blunders do we need to endure? Bringing back 45 year old Clemens? What was that? Anyone that expected him to do any better than how he did was delusional at best, and completely stupid at worst.

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Yeah, I’d like to have been more competitive this year as well. But hey! At least we’re not 21-29! Who hoo. It is nice to see we’re sitting comfortably on the floor of the AL East again tho.

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chaz,
You know what I’m worried about? Losing Crashman and having someone named Steinbrenner become the GM?

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This season is turning into a monumental failure. I expected us to not make the playoffs, but I also expected us to still compete. After all, this is basically the same team that won more games than any other franchise after the break last season. I hope that we can at least get Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes headed in the right direction for 2009. At least then we have 3 good pitchers that we can build a pitching staff around. Aside from that, if we lose Brian Cashman as a result of this season’s failure, it would be the best thing that has happened to this club since winning the 2000 Series. We need to bring in a GM who will embrace good pitching and defense as a way to combat streaky hitting. We need a GM that is well versed in statistical analysis (i.e. SABRmetrics). This is the new world order in terms of seeing developing talent, and evaluating veteran players.

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