Girardi: Hands on pitchers, hands off rays

Joe Girardi has been a busy guy during the first couple of days here. As I write this, he’s squatting out in the bullpen catching Andrew Brackman, who is coming back from Tommy John surgery and — from what I can see — has a ways to go. Humberto Sanchez is next, limbering up near the left field foul line. Girardi still has some of the moves back there, even if the reflexes might not be trigger sharp.

Yesterday afternoon, Girardi wandered out to the Ray tank they keep out in right-center field. There’s an assortment of real live creatures out there, and the fans can feed them. You can even stick your hand in the tank, I suppose, but Girardi didn’t need that to make the experience any more enjoyable.

“I didn’t see too many rays growing up in Peoria,” he said.

Alex Rodriguez worked out again today over at the Himes Ave. complex. He’s targeting next Tuesday vs. Baltimore for his return. … Johan Santana vs. the Yankees, eh? I smell Hank Steinbrenner commentary. … Heard about Dan McCutchen yet? If not, the Newark Star-Ledger will help you brush up. …

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Check out the next thread, people. I’m talking to my damn self over there, LOL!

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Well, call me psychic if you want, but common sense told me that the boss was going to be mad at his workers for not getting the job done. And what he says about Tampa Bay is true, they are a gret, young, talented team, like the Arizona D-Backs of the American League. The Yankees are like the fifht graders acting like nuts and the Rays are like the Kindergardeners acting — well — like mature fifth graders. The point is, WE should be playing like that right now, and we are not.

It doesn’t SEEM like the offense doesn’t want to be up there in tight game situations, THEY DON’T. With the exception of Jeter, Melky and Matsui, the other SIX sons a batches are are swingin’ the bats just to swing. They’re acting like a bunch of sissies out there. Last night’s game should’ve been a victory HANDS DOWN. No doubt about it, your ace shouldn’t throw seven innings of one run ball and come up with a no-decision. Since when have Garza and Jackson become a one-two staff aces punch. Give me a break, the Yankee hitters are just making the pitcher’s job easy, swingin at garbage all the time, gettin into one and two strike counts and not putting any pressure on the hurler to throw one down the pipe.

What the hell does the hitting coach have to do with it? He can bark and preach and sing ” Wait for your pitch.” If the hitters don’t put it into play, it’s music through their ears. How is it that Matsui, Jeter and Melky have been tearin it up and he others haven’t? Well, it’s the approach they take. It’s the professional approach, the one that earns you milions because IT WORKS.

Jeeze Louis eat your peas please. Cano! Wake up! Giambi… forget hitting homers and get on base! Ensberg,I mean you’re no A-Rod but you ain’t in the big leagues out of pity, put up or get up and pack! Same goes for everyone else. Girardi, what the hell!? I epected him to bring an aggressive attittude to this ballclub and he seems to be sleeping. Torre had more fire than this corpse.

The Yanks are pitiful right now, and guys in Red Sox Nation are killin me, Tampa Rays fans are actually laughing when they hear the words ” New York Yankees ” and the media is making a parade of it. I may soon join the bandwagon to avoid the misery, because this team sucks right now!

And for one time and in about a million years, it’s not the pitching that sucks. So I guess we’re getting some where.

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I agree with you jeterstar, this team has been playing lifeless, boring baseball. This team can’t generate enough life to get up for a comeback attempt in games. Once this team is down it tends to stay down, it doesn’t matter if the score is 2-1 or 9-1 in the 5th inning or ninth inning. Living here in the SF Bay Area, I get the opportunity to see two young teams playing very competitive ball with the A’s, and Giants. The energy, and exuberance between the Giants, A’s, and Yankees is night and day. They are in just about in every game every night trying, and show some type of hunger just to prove themselves not just to win. They look like they actually enjoy playing the game, compared to the Yankees who show nothing on the field or bench when it comes to excitement or exuberance. They look like a bunch of old men playing a kid’s game and show up just to claim their checks. Right now I’m having a lot more fun watching the A’s and Giants play than the Yanks. They may not be good teams, and they may have holes, but they are fun to watch.

Usually I would say, a team like the Yanks need to make hard decisions and make big changes just to send a message to the players. Unfortunately, the Yanks don’t have the type of depth or talent on its major league roster to make those changes. All this team has are players like Gonzalez (no experience at this level), Ensburg who really hasn’t done much, Duncan, and of course Betapuke, who despite what keyswahili, eeerrrrrrr bpark says, is garbage as a player with absolutely no value or talent, he’s total garbage who can’t be relied on to help this team get out of the duldrums, nor take advantage of the opportunities given him as a player that’s why they have been “inconsistent”. He’s a mistake this team will continue to live with. Sorry keyswahili, errrrr bpark. I too thought Girardi would have been a perfect fit for this team, lighting a fire under this team in moments like this, but he has failed miserably in that department, and I’m having second thoughts about even having backed him as strongly as I did for manager.

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I don’t know what posts you’ve been reading, RSL, but I am not the one looking for a silver lining here. We play with no emotion, no fire, and no heart. I don’t think anyone is happy with what we have been doing lately. I think Jeterstar’s “boring” assessment is just about as dead on as one can get. This team IS boring. While we continue to send out pitchers that get it done. We make no effort at the dish to get anything going. Usually this is a formula for dead-ball era games. Sorry, but I don’t like watching my Yankees eek out wins. Try winning 8-1, rather than losing 2-1. GO YANKEES!!!!

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Dammit, I’m so frustrated with this freakin’ team, I’m getting sick of hearing Hank’s meaningless statements he makes, but then doesn’t back them up with action, he just blows hot air, put up or shut up Tommy Boy (my friends call Hank, Tommy Boy you know from the Chris Farley movie). This team is so boring (except for Jeet and Chamberlain) and for a person with a short attention span such as myself, it’s painfully boring. Where’s the fire Girardi? Why are you trying to be like Torre? Girardi can only bottle up his emotions for so long, I’m waiting for him to explode. I feel like picking on Bobby Abreu today, he does nothing for me, sure he takes a lot of pitches, that’s great, but dang I would love to have Josh Hamilton from the Rangers on the Yanks right now to replace Abreu. Sure Josh is a former crackhead but he can rake, I drop everything when he’s at the plate, and he’s not afraid of the wall like Abreu is. Alright I’m done.

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if we remain a .500 ball club by july 4th. then folks ‘mark my words’ we are not gettin into the playoffs this year!!!!

there i said it,,,go ahead and attack me now, but look around, many clubs in our own division are better equipped then us, and there showin it.

chaz,
buy this: ‘with so many variables in place for now and each month remaining, we cant explore October” heck we gotta fight for first place, then beat the AL central teams, and rid out any west playoff contender’

look all i am sayin is that: if season ended today, were no where close, heck were .5 games out of last place.

also, “money doesn’t buy you happiness” your a family guy you should know….

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We have 75% percent of the schedule left to play hard, and win games. Other teams seem to have started playing at 100% in April. I wonder what philosophy creates champions?

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Key,
If the Yankee lineup would be doing what they are capable of, rather than mailing it in each and evey night, WE woud be running away with the divison. You may be one of the guys that think that games in April and May are not as important as games in August and September, but they count just as much now as then. We should be winning these games. Your point about the pitching staff “taking their lumps” would have been valid, IF we were losing games 8-7, 12-5, etc., etc., but we have really only been hammered in 5 games or so. We have a starting rotation and bullpen capable of keeping us in EVERY game, and they are consistently getting it done. We have a lineup that is capable of clubbing the baseball, and they are NOT getting it done.

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It is true that we have lost some close games…but it is “way” to early to call this team putrid…again, the pitching staff, with the exception of Kennedy & Hughes, have done a good job and the bull pen has been excellent. We, the fans and management, understood that in some respect, this would be a transitional year. Cashman was right in putting more emphasis on buttressing our pitching staff with younger talent from the farm system. I am sure that Yankee management knew that the early going was going to bumpy…. Our offense has been feeble, devoid of timely hitting….Was not that much better even when Rodriguez and Posada were available. Note, the Red Sox have not overwhelmed the Rays or Jays and we are only a handful of games out of 1st place…with 75% of the schedule remaining !! I am shocked that we are even in the race ! People…wake up…the Jays, Orioles, and Rays have good solid front line pitching….especially, the Rays & Blue Jays…Nobody is going to run away with this Division…The Red Sox have real problems with the back end of their rotation and their middle relief is very suspect…Cano and Giambi are breaking out of their slumps…donot expect much hitting from Ensberg, Molina, Moeller, Duncan or Gonzalez…Betamit is a better hitter, with power, than any of these three and Cashman was absolutely correct in trading a burnt out Scott Proctor and getting Betamit…who has never been given an opportunity to play consistently.
These 2-1 games are painful, especially when you loose, but this is a good learning experience and the Yankees will begin to get timely hits, improve on the RISP, and win this division out right.

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This team is not playing with any guts, fire, heart, or sense of urgency. We may be getting all of that from a few individuals, but certainly not as a team. Until we can play every game at 100% intensity, we will play .500 baseball.

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I am really hating this. We are all over the sports media right now, and all are saying that we are dead……..AGAIN! Of course, the sports media loves every minute of it. We are a damn punchline.

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Let’s see… Last night Farnsy, Joba and Mo pitched. That means that tonight we’ve got Veras, Britton, Ross, Ramirez.

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RSL, I don’t buy that we will EVER have a “rebuilding year”. With the money and resources that this organization has, we should be able to replace elements of this team that need repair, and contend for the title EVERY season. This year is no different. Bottom line for this year is that we are NOT hitting.

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i agree whole-heartedly, with the comments above. but i got bigger problems, i live in Baltimore (origianally from NY, you can tell by the spelling & grammer issues ;NYC school system) but anyways;

i am running out of excuses here to tell people. my work is full of o’s fans and yankee haters, throw in some rodentsox fans as well.

here are my excuses;
we are injured, offensively & pitching wise
we have half of our pitching staff on the DL
we have our home run hitter on the DL
we have our co-captian ‘posada” out till mid year
our cleanup hitter is our best threat in the game MVP
our catcher is the most important spot defensively
we have a brand new coach
we lost clemens

good stuff
cano always has a bad first half
giambi is third in the league in hr
wang only has one loss
top four batting order bats .300

the people here are fairly dumb when it comes to MLB, they are just cought up on the $$$ we spend and pay long term contracts.

but NYY goers, relax once again, this team will get better reasons listed:

we have moose pitching well (can pick up #6 win tonight)
wang is 6-1 (yes should be 8-0.
giambi has 7 hr
matusi is in top five batting avg
jeter is playin well, despite 1HR

well get all our pitching in july, let TB & ******* mud it out for a while

cano SHOULD get better batter
arod will come back with a vengance
posada will hit well

we can still put together a respectable year,
if everything fails this year wre gotta say this accross the boards:

2008:
was a rebuilding year anyway.
rookie manager
pitching injuries
MVP was injured
jeter & posada were both injured

five good reasons to let folks see our side

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NYY: RHP Mike Mussina (5-3, 4.36 ERA)
Mussina, who seems to be on a nice rebound from a mediocre 11-10 2007 season, has won four straight starts and given up just eight earned runs in 23 innings over that span. Mussina is back to changing speeds, has been throwing a good changeup, and his control, as five walks in 43 1/3 innings proves, has been great so far this season. He’s 7-5 in 16 career starts at Tropicana Field.

TB: RHP James Shields (4-2, 3.14 ERA)
Shields is winless (0-5) in six starts vs. the Yankees, with a 7.83 ERA.

What does this tell you? That Moose is due for a bad outing, and shields is due for a good one. Baseball is a funy game that way……

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About rebuilding –
I figured that this team needed only slightly above average pitching to get back to the World Series. We have that and now our storied offense is looking like a bunch of fools. We don’t need to gut this squad. We need to get someone to motivate what is already here. If Joe and his buddies he hired to coach can’t do it, then we need to put a boot in his butt and get someone in here that can. Who that is, I have no idea, but obviously Joe is not that “fired-up” skipper that we expected. On the field of play, this team looks just like Joe Torre’s Yankees. Too bad Joe G . doesn’t have Joe T’s off field skills. Now……who is a better manager?

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Johan Santana should be able to toss a no-no against this bunch of losers. I’ll guarantee that he’s going to fan more than a dozen. If we manage to beat him, I will be just as pissed, because all that will prove is that we are playing like crap against people we should light up, and only showing up to the ballpark when we feel like it.

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*I’m sure someone else can make the argument that the pitching staff has had it’s share of bad games,

it’s should be its…..my bad.

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If you would have told me at the beginning of the season that our pitching staff would be the solid part of this team, and that the offense would be the reason that we are not 6 games over .500 right now, I would have laughed in your face. The way I see it, our offense’s anemia has cost us 8 games so far. 8 games where our pitching staff got the job done, and the offense dropped trow and took a dump in the batter’s box. I have had enough. I’m sure someone else can make the argument that the pitching staff has had it’s share of bad games, but VERY few that were bad enough that our lineup didn’t have a shot at pulling off a win with some late inning, clutch hitting. I don’t know if there is a single guy on this club that wants to be in the box in the late innings with the game on the line, except for maybe Jeter.

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“We should score about five runs a game,” Long said. “If a guy is not on his game, or a guy like tonight even, we should probably push across three runs, realistically with the stuff he had. Last night’s guy [Matt Garza], we probably could have got more. … That’s the way I look at it. We’ve talked about it — each guy thinks we should be able to score about five.”

– Obviously, you jackass! Maybe you and Girardi should pack your crap and hit the bricks. Who leaves a closer in for 2 innings in a non-save situation? How do we not score more than 1 lousy run……again? We again pissed away a quality start from Wang. If I were him, I would be beside myself right now. 8-0 is where Wang should be sitting. I guarantee that Long and Joe are waiting for Posada and A-Rod to get back. They must think that they are going to each go 5-5 every game with 3 homers and 2 doubles. Hey, a-holes, there are 9 guys in a big league lineup, and they ALL need to hit when in matters. Right now noone is. I am so close to shutting it down until this team gets right. I can’t take the embarrassment. This club has all the tools to get it done, and NONE of the execution.

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This offense is hopeless. Let me get this straight, our inability to score even 2 runs is all because of A-Rod and Posada being out of the lineup? I DON’T THINK SO!

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“We should score about five runs a game,” Long said. “If a guy is not on his game, or a guy like tonight even, we should probably push across three runs, realistically with the stuff he had. Last night’s guy [Matt Garza], we probably could have got more. … That’s the way I look at it. We’ve talked about it — each guy thinks we should be able to score about five.”

Yes and if I buy a Power Ball ticket, I SHOULD be able to win the lottery.

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“Wang only thought he pitched “OK,” but with that being the sum total of Tampa Bay’s offense through the first nine innings, it was, as Girardi said, “a game we’re very capable of winning.”

Yeah… Ummmm Joe? No. You’re NOT capable of winning games like that. And bringing Mo back for a second inning in a tie game knowing that there’s another game the next night?

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And Goose? I loved ya. But shut yer pie hole and leave Joba alone. Right now he’s about the only one on the team showing any fire.

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If we can’t find a way to beat good pitching (and I don’t mean beating a good pitcher who’s having an off night) we’re sunk this season. We’re sunk because not only can’t we beat good pitching but we can’t be mediocre picthers who happen to be having a good night.

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Ok. WE SUCK. This team is horrible. You can point fingers in particular directions and you can find solid numbers in individual stats but as a team, we are the Devil Rays of practically every season until now and I’m going to predict, right now that we finish worse than we did last year. Yep. I know it’s early. Perhaps ahead of Toronto but I would’nt be surprised if TB and the O’s finish ahead of us. You don’t lose games like that. Why is it I’m the only one who sees that when a pitcher is dominating you (again, like the Ray’s man did last night, and the night before) something ELSE has to give? Jeter on 3rd with no outs and we don’t do SOMETHING to score him? Abreu looked like Soriano in the early years thowing his bat out there. Pathetic.
I don’t like what I am seeing from this team. Wang should be 8-0 now. Instead he’s stuck at 6-1 because for the second start in a row we can’t get our heads out of our *****. You can talk about injuries but I don’t believe that Posada or ARod would have made a difference. EVERY team has injuries. It’s how to preservere thru them that makes champions and right now we’re playing like Joe’s gonna be wearing number 27 for a while, if he survives…

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I never thought I would say this.

We better get our act together in a hurry or Tampa Bay is going to get out of range in a hurry. This is a genuine, talented team and they aren’t simply going to disappear. Their rotation is outstanding, their lineup is strong, their defense covers far more ground then ours, and their bullpen is one of the AL’s best. And they are winning games in extra innings against the like of Mariano Rivera.

Last season, even when we were 14 games back, I always felt like we would catch Boston. We did not, but we came close. This season, I don’t have that same confidence. The Rays scare the crap out of me.

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Since he was mentioned, here’s the line on Dan McCutchen tonight in Trenton:
IP-4
H-6
R-3
ER-3
BB-5
SO-3
HR-0
ERA-2.52
GO-4
FO-3
BATTERS FACED-21

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD May 13, 2008

Scranton/WB 3
Louisville (Reds) 5
W: A. Pettyjohn (4-0, 4.71); L: J. Marquez (2-5, 6.50); SV: D. Herrera (1)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_13_swbaaa_louaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Portland (Red Sox) 7
Trenton 1
W: M. Bowden (3-3, 2.57); L: D. McCutchen (4-3, 2.52)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_13_prtaax_treaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Lakeland (Tigers) 1
Tampa 3
W: R. Pope (4-2, 2.13); L: J. Nickerson (3-3, 5.48); SV: W. Arias (1)
HR: TAM: S. Fortenberry (1).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_13_lakafa_tbyafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Greenville (Red Sox) 3
Charleston 2 (11)
W: Povich (5-0,1.80);L: Vacek(2-1,1.53)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_05_13_capafx_crdafx_1
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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And also, how about we stop grounding into double plays? I know Gonzalez’s GIDP in the 2nd inning was a nice play by Longoria so I’ll give him a break, but that doesn’t explain the other FOUR in the series.

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Yeah, I really have no beef with Molina overall. He’s really played fine as a backup, ESPECIALLY throwing runners out. I just think that when you look how he’s been playing offensively and now defensively as of late, he’s just worn out.

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Kind of sad to see the Yankees in this state. They need to step their game up, big time. Hank hasn’t spoken in a while, bu this is just the silence before the storm. If this keeps up, we may find out who he really is. Molina is a backup catcher who is now our starting catcher, so thay explains his struggles. I don’t know if Mo blew the save or if Molina’s fatigue was the cause, all I know is taht Gomes stole a base, and he’s slow. I smell trouble from the front office.

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Well…. Really need to step up our game, that’s really all you can say about tonight.

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All right, I guess it’s about Mr. Molina takes a seat for a few games. His poor hitting is one thing, but now his defense is pretty shoddy. With a mediocre throw, Gomes is out by a mile there at second and also in the prior inning, Molina blew a pop-up that could have led to trouble. I know Moeller isn’t the savior, but I just think Molina could use a break. 4 for his last 42 was it?

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Jeeze no more coments, must be a nail biter!

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This is a ballgame. It’s still dissapointing this offense didn’t manage more runs. Let’s salvage this game. It’s in times like these where the team shows its true colors.

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Still haven’t had an extra inning game this year right? Hopefully we can get it done now

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Doesn’t get more clutch than that… Like the stuff I’m seeing from Matsui… Too bad we didn’t strike earlier for Wang, he pitched great. We got a ball game, thats for sure.

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I feel like I should be like knitting or something. I am watching nothing happen and it’s such a waste of time. No action!!! Completely the opposite of what a night should be. Matt you said, this is downright boring. Three hours I’ll never get back…if they could only just score runs then it wont feel so bad.

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JEEEEEZZE!!! Another boring game where the offense failed to show up once again, this is getting pathetic!!

Yeah joe, I said the Yanks needed to put their high end prospects like Horne, Cox, Melancon, and McCutcheon on a faster track to the majors just in case Hughes, and Kennedy can’t get it together, and they would have pitchers to fall back on. Obviously, I don’t expect Chamberlain in the rotation al that soon, but if these moves mean they are positioning themselves for that type of move that would be great. The way this team is playing right now, a shock to the system wouldn’t be the worst thing to have.

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It seems like everyone has a good pitching staff this year against the Yanks other than Detroit

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These Rays are making the Yankees look like the Rays. Unfair. It’s a damn shame than Wang is pitching a gem and will probably get the loss.

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Who knows how it will turn out, but I definitely wouldn’t be surprised to see both Hughes, and Kennedy in the rotation, and Rasner in the pen as a long reliever. But it’s good to have so many options in a sense. I just don’t think there is any way you will see Karstens battling for a spot in the rotation with Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner, and possibly Chamberlain. He just doesn’t match up very well talent-wise.

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Oops put Rasner twice there. Meant Karstens, they’re pretty much one and the same

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If Joba moves into the rotation then presumably it’s a free for all for the 5th spot between Hughes, Kennedy, Rasner or maybe someone unexpected White, Rasner…did you see Girardi mention Pavano coming back the other day!

It’s incredible how many potential starters the Yanks could have by August. 5 of them will come good

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Just got this off Peter Abraham’s blog. J. Brent Cox being moved to AAA SWB, and Mark Melancon (not surprising at all) being moved up to AA. Two moves that won’t generate too much interest usually, but you have to wonder if the Yanks are getting ready to move Chamberlain from the pen into the rotation fairly soon. Definitely a strong possibility considering the state of the starting rotation. Cox was a 1st Rd pick in the Amateur draft a few seasons ago as a reliever, so he will probably get first crack as a setup man since that is what he is projected as, and Melancon can either double as a starter, and reliever, he has that kind of overpowering stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s exactly what the may be positioning themselves to do.

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Throw some strikes, Wang. You are more effective when you go after batters!

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well that’s it. Do something for some rings and everyone will forget everything else. Imagine A-Rod hits some grand slams or something this October – no one will remember anything 04-07

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Yes but Reggie was THE SHOW in ’77 and put us over the top! And he kept the Press off of the other players!

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I realize this has nothing to do with anything really, but has anyone else noticed that Reggie Jackson’s “clutch” stats (i.e. late and close, 2 outs with RISP, etc.) really aren’t that good? He seems to hit around .260 and below in all of those stats. It’s amazing how fans react to a few moments and base judgments on those few moments as opposed to the larger sum. He really is one of the most overrated players in baseball history.

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You have to be lucky too! Just look at the “throw ins” for Boston, Lowell and Okajima! Without them 2007 would have produced a different champion!

Sabathia would be nice, but my plan B is more internal developement and resign Pettite!

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Agree with you about Sheets but he is just too good not to think of as a Plan B if for some reason the Yanks miss out on Sabathia.

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Yeah, you can just imagine what Dodgers fans are saying about that pickup.

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HA! HA! I think in the case of Small, and Chacon, that was just a matter of luck, and he caught lightening in a bottle at the right time. I don’t think even Cashman knew things were going to turn out like that, unfortunately Small and Chacon fell on their faces after that. I’ll agree with you about Molina, he has been a very good back up, definitely the best they have had at catcher in a long time. Players have to make the most of their opportunities when they come around. He really never hit enough to keep Betamit as a starter and as a result saw his value more as a utility infielder. So if Betamit didn’t get much opportunity as a starter he has only himself to blame.

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At least Jones had potential! But, anyone Bobby Cox can’t motivate has to be suspect! Funny that Torre has Jones now!

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I agree on Teixeira and Sabathia. Sheets, I think, is too injury prone.

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And, even worse, in my opinion, was that we obtained a “decent” candidate for 1B and Torre didn’t play him! And that’s the stongest endorsement I’ll make for Betemit! Molina has been a God send! And THANK GOD for Cashman, whichever one he believes in! Molina! Small! Acevedo! Chacon! I feel the mans a genius!

The next sound is me covering my head from all of the rocks now being thrown at me!

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There are some possibilities like Teixeira at 1B, and CC Sabathia, and Ben Sheets, but then I completely blew it on Andruw Jones who I badly wanted in the offseason, but look at him now. As jeterstar will be quick to tell you (almost too quick), i was dead wrong on him, so you never know.

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I guess that depends more on Hal and Hank! And I’m only talking about short term possibilities without trading any prospects or draft choices!!

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Torre overused Proctor last season before he was traded just as he was overused by Torre the season before. I believe he was near the top in the majors for IP by a reliever. Joba was bought up as a reliever out of necessity because the pen was a total mess at the time and there was no one except Rivera who could be really trusted out of the pen. Joba solidified the pen, but he didn’t resolve the issues the pen had.

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No offense, but I don’t see what that has to do with the present. Wells isn’t the same pitcher, but it really doesn’t have to do with Wells but rather the direction this team will be taking in order to continue to be successful. Will it continue to be committed to youth like they say they will be? or Will they be going down the same path as before.

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Scot Proctor was one of my favorites, but he was inconsistent at best! And did you forget Joba?

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Would Wells be more motivated back in NY, given his love for Babe Ruth? When did he pitch his career best game? The same for Cone and Larsen!

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That’s because Betamit has no value period because he can’t hit. He has never lived up to the cost of the trade that bought him to this team. I’ve seen hitters like him before in all my years of watching baseball, and they never wind up having real value. Betamit cost this team a commodity it couldn’t afford at the time in Proctor. I’m not saying Proctor would have made a difference last season, but he was definitely better than anything the Yanks had in the pen afte the trade.

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Great, Matt that is our HERITAGE! I’ve never asked you to “go away.” And I agreed that White may be the best option if we need someone already on the 40man!

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That arm led to a 5.00+ ERA last season and allowed 200+ plus hits. That’s what leads me to disagree with you about him not that it’s your idea.

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Well (not Wells) you said you favor the kids! BTW, I do too!!
And any mention of value in Betemit sets you off!

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I just have different ideas from yours which I have every right to express here.

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If it happens, I doubt that Girardi would “stomach” Wells with a bad attitude! Pun intended! But, the rubber arm and ability to constantly pound the strike zone intrigues me!

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Who said I didn’t like your ideas?

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Even the US Olympic team doesn’t want anything to do with Clemens, he’s just too much of a distraction.

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You may not like my ideas! But, at least I have some considering ALL possibilities!

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The problem is this team is in bad enough shape. It can’t afford to take gambles on 45 year old pitchers who have bad attitudes, not in shape, and who has badly bloated numbers. Wells would take this team down with him, plus there’s no telling how his ‘tude will affect this team, and he may wast this team’s time on him when it could be addressing other areas of need.

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Washington thought Rasner had nothing left! Boston thought/thinks Clemens and Damon had nothing left!

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I’ve seen sentinel on other blogs! But, I would invite even his (her/it’s?) contributions since we all had fun venting at him, rather than a player!!

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Nothing wrong with looking for the silver lining in something, but for me personally the silver lining lies in the younger, more talented players who will succeed with the team for years down the road. I just don’t see the silver lining in old players who have nothing left.

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Granted the mention of Wells was probably a complete spoof. But, pardon me for looking for the silver lining in everything!

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That would be a cheap shot, it would be even a cheaper shot to be connected to sentinel.

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So where did glewis go? I could guess who he really is! And Bozo the Clown? That would be a cheap shot to connect him to you, Matt!!

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No, but now that Wells has been separated from the Yanks for a few years, we shouldm ake the Yanks divorce themselves from him, and kick him to the curb permanently!!

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I never said anything about using White immediately, just said that White is obviosly the better pitcher of the two hands down.

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If Kennedy fails again, do we make him get divorced?

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I think glewis was being sarcastic about that Robert. No one said anything about McCutcheon coming up any time soon. Colon, Schilling, Wells, Giese? Talk about pitchers who would demoralize a team. Those guys should just call it quits. I would rather see Bozo the Clown pitch than any of those guys.

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Matt,

By far? See my comment about demoralizing a young pitcher! Besides, White went seven innings last night (complete game) so he’s burned until Saturday!

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It would be hard to choose between Giese and White?
Hardly!! Obviously, White is the better pitcher by far. His career numbers are better than Giese’s 32-25 3.55 all good numbers plus he is younger than Giese, and his stuff is better than Giese.
White is also 4-1 2.61 and never had a season end with an ERA over 4.00. Giese is nothing more than a career minor leaguer who has been with the Red Sox and Padres’ systems for years. IF he were any good he would have come up long ago. He is nothing more than a mediocre pitcher.

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How about me? I, at least, could manage to hit Manny, on a few bounces!!

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gee lewis didn’t realize I impressed anyone that much! What would you rather have? Wells, Colon, Schilling?

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Seriously, I can’t see McCutchen coming to NY without a few starts at SWB. Given the Wright experiment last year, why risk demoralizing another “young” pitcher?

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Rasner was never spectacular either. It would be hard to choose between Giese and White. Anyone else would definately be overmatched!

But, if Kennedy is good Thursday, no move would be needed!

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I guess you gotta include Robert amongst those who would foolishly want a mediocre pitcher like Giese. Good thing he isn’t a Yankee scout or GM of the team.

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD May 13, 2008

Scranton/WB
Louisville (Reds) 7:05p
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Portland (Red Sox) 7:05p
Trenton
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Lakeland (Tigers) 7p
Tampa
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Greenville (Red Sox) 7:05p
Charleston
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You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD May 12, 2008

Scranton/WB 2
Indianapolis (Pirates) 1 (10)
W: D. Robertson (1-0, 2.70); L: M. Miller (0-2, 10.13); SV: S. Jackson (1)
HR: IND: M. Kata (2).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_12_swbaaa_indaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Scranton/WB 5
Indianapolis (Pirates) 2 (7)
W: S. White (4-1, 2.66); L: L. Munoz (2-1, 4.15)
HR: SWB: J. Miranda (3). IND: S. Pearce (4).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_12_swbaaa_indaaa_2&t=g_box&did=milb
Lakeland (Tigers) 6
Tampa 2 (11)
W: A. Castro (2-1, 2.78); L: E. Soto (1-1, 3.31)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_12_lakafa_tbyafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Greenville (Red Sox) 0
Charleston 5
W: L. Pendleton (2-2, 3.42); L: F. Doubront (4-1, 2.05)
HR: CHA: C. Angelini (1).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_12_capafx_crdafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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Meant Jason, not James.

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You’re absolutely right joe, McCutcheon should be a good one down the road, he is currently 4-2 2.15 in AA. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in AAA soon. I would prefer Steve White to him though if Kennedy should fail again. White is currently 4-1 2.66 and has been very successful in the minors so far in his career. I wouldn’t think of bringing up Giese, period. He is only average pitcher, why else has he only been a career minor leaguer. Others to consider are James Jones, and George Kontos.

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I’m committed to our team but, I think it’s time to rebuild. Gut this team and start over. Interesting comments by Damon………..
“The way that they’re pitching is outstanding,” Damon said. “Their offense has always been pretty good. Those guys in the outfield can cover ground with the best of them. You can never have enough good players, and it seems like they’re stacked with them right now.”
It’s pretty bad when he’s describing the Rays!

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