Joba gives it up

We saw something that hadn’t been seen before last night — Joba Chamberlain, giving up regular season runs at Yankee Stadium. It turns out he’s not invincible after all, and this hurt the Yankees in a big way, with David Dellucci’s three-run homer sailing a few rows into the right-field seats to crush New York in a 5-3, come-from-behind, Indians win.

After the game, “bounce back” seemed to be the big buzz words. Joe Girardi said it. So did Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera. The Yankees like a lot about Chamberlain’s maturity level and it spoke volumes that he made a bee-line right to his locker to answer every question, prepared to accept the bad day along with all of the good ones that he’s had.

His demeanor was much the same as it was after he took his first big league loss last month in Chicago, and approximately how he reacted after the “midge” game last October in Cleveland. It’s remarkable that those are the only other two comparisons you can make of Chamberlain handling the media after a tough loss.

Chamberlain said that there’s no pitcher who ever goes through life unscathed, and that he’ll be ready and waiting to take the ball if Girardi gives it to him again on Wednesday. Girardi mentioned that you can learn a lot about a club’s character by the way it comes back after a tough loss. With Cliff Lee and Chien-Ming Wang — a combined 11-0 this year — on the mound, this one should be worth tuning in to watch.

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I would love to jump on the wagon but I don’t think we are there yet. Right now we are just surviving. Which really isn’t that bad. Staying at .500 considering all the unforeseen road bumps we hit isn’t too bad. Once Posada and Rodriguez get back that will give those few extra runs we have been missing in some of those close loses. It will help the rest of the line come around as well because the other guys will have some stress taken off and can relax and settle in. As far pitching is going i agree with you one hundred percent. So until we find that #5 guy and Hughes get pitching as well as we all know we can. Surviving isn’t too bad. Its a long season and an okay April can turn into a great year.

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Boston and several other teams will big for Sabathia, that is not what I said, I said no other team will out bid the Yankees. Giambi’s contract would be plenty for Sabathia. Schilling and Wake combined do not equal Giambi’s salary, heck they don’t equal Pettittes salary. They make a bit more than Mussina and Pavano, yet combine Mussina and Pavano, they are still short. I just mentioned 58 million dollars, Boston will not be in the running if the Yankees want Sabathia.

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Boston won’t have Schilling or Wakefield, they will bid for CC.

Bonds has a fan in Jim Leyland, who may end up signing him.

There are plenty of Clemens fans but not all cop to it.

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bpark, after reading your posts, its hard to think you really know what your talking about. It is obvious that your a big Clemens fan. That is admirable of you considering the stuff that Clemens has been going through. You should look around and see if there are any Bonds fans, you might be the only two on the earth. Clemens was not the answer last year, did nothing to help last year, and for every inning he pitched last year, it took away an opportunity for one of these kids to get better. You mention CC Sabathia, and your right, if Cleveland is out of this by the deadline they might trade him, however, you are wrong about Boston. They stayed out of the Santana thing because they did not want to pay the money. The Yankees have millions coming off the payroll and no one in baseball will be capable of out bidding the Yankees if they want Sabathia.

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Wells is finished.
Betemit is an Indian.
Clemens is banned from the Olympics.

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I’ll be sure to fire plenty of salvos at Andrew when the time comes.

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Pettitte will be in court as much as Clemens, so you may want to think about the impact on Pettitte and the team.

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Besides, when is he going to have time to play? Is he going to make it out of the courthouse and change into his gear in the car on the way to the yard? Is the warden going to unlock his cell? Is the judge going to sentance him to work release? Is that ankle bracelet going to distract him, or is he going to use it like Schilling used his ketchup covered sock?

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It’s less of Clemens being a “sub-par” player, and more of a man with questionable integrity, character, class, and sense of honor. Couple that with cheating the game of baseball, and you have a series of infractions that are inexcuseable. Of course, being fat, old, and imminently HITTABLE doesn’t help.

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Clemens clearly doesn’t have the time to blog here. And he certainly is not in desperate need of money.

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LOL, Renaldo!!!!!! Nothing like the idiots that play soccer to put it ALL in perspective! LMAO, Renaldo.

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Bpark… When are you going to get over the fact that Clemens is a sub-par player? He’s a has-been, and a never-will-be-ever-again… Roger Clemens is way past his time, the media attraction he would bring to NY would be even more negative energy for a team who are trying to avoid distractions. The last thing the Yankees need is questions about steroids every 3-hours, they need to focus and put together a stretch of wins.

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Kennedy can work the corners and does know how to throw strikes,at least in the minors, that’s why they bought him up in the first place last season. He needs to learn to do that in the majors and stop being timid he’s not going to learn that in the minors.

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Bpark, are YOU Roger Clemens? I ask because you seem to be his LAST fan on Earth. LMAO. You can admit it if you are, we promise not to pile on.

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Was Sentinel in the hotel with Ronaldo, Kennadia and the transvestites?

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Bruney is a joke. He was just too wild even when he was doing better this year. I am shocked he is still here.

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You can’t have a reliability discussion without mention our playoff bats including our MVP who Mr Torre once batted 8th in a playoff series.

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Mattress, go out there and pitch with a torn ligament in your arm and see how effective you are.

Either Cashman is still interested in Betemit or he has had conversations with other GMs who do. There were alot of GMs that were high on him. They must be chalking it up to vision problems which Hughes apparently had also.

Talk about rely on a pitcher when it count, Wang is lights out until when it count. Atleast Clemens can say he was reliable enough to earn rings even pitching injured for us in a WS and last year in the playoffs.

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I think sentinel is undergoing intense electro-shock therapy at this time,I doubt it will help his condition though.

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Bruney was awesome until he went down. His stats don’t lie. All pitchers need to throw strikes, bpark, LOL.

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bpoop,

You’re also in favor of keeping no talents like Betamit instead of players who have more ability like Duncan. Atl east Duncan has shown he can hit. I’m not in favor of bring back broken down wrecks like “The Savior” who guarantees nothing. He didn’t even do much to get the Yanks to the post season.

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Umpires in the big leagues will not give you the corners unless you establish command of the plate EARLY. They certainly will not give the corner of the zone to a rookie that is scared to attack a hitter. For crying out loud, they barely give the corners to veterans anymore. There is no other thing that IPK needs to work on. Get ahead in the count then pitch to the corners to get outs. Another time tested formula for pitchers at this level.

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where the heck is Sentinel, and what does he have to say on this?

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There are no GMs interested in a player who can’t hit his weight, that’s crazy, period. Who wants pitchers who can’t be relied on to step up when it counts most like Clemens or MESSina? Hughes saved “The Savior”s” butt last season, and everyone saw it!!

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Chazzy,

Kennadia or Igawa or Bruney, which need to throw strikes?

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Mattress, I am in favor of playing young talent like Cano, Gonzalez and Hughes. I am not in favor of either sitting people like Duncan when they can be in minors getting ABs. Kennadia just doesn’t have it yet.

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If Kennedy would’ve come out of the gate getting ahead of hitters, we would be singing his praises right now. He needs to throw strikes.

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Betemeter should be traded, other GMs including Cashman are still higher on him. Gonzalez should start at third and it is the Yankees who continually bring back veterans who know how to pitch in ny. I am in favor of bringing Clemens back again even if its in the pen.

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Kenndy’s problem = trying to work the black from the get-go, and not going right after guys. NO pitcher can keep above water throwing 25 pitches per inning. That’s it.

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Unlike you bpoop, I’m more willing to give younger players with a higher ceiling a chance rather than sticking with a policy that doesn’t work.

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It wasn’t just Mussina’s struggles that led to Kennadia being rushed, Clemens was struggling with naggin injuries. Mussina ended up taking Clemens’s spot. i don’t know who will be better in the end but Hughes is way better than Kennadia any day, neither is better than Joba.

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bpoop,

At least I wouldn’t think about resigning old, past their prime players time after time only to see them go down in flames like “The Savior”,or “The BEER Guzzler”. OR keeping mediocre players like Betamit in my lineup like certain people.

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Mattress, bpoop……hilarious. What am I? Cheeze? Chimp? Chump? Chaz-tity Belt?

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Hughes was way more ready, Kennadia was rushed. Kennadia was brought in down the stretch, the batters hadn’t seen him and they were ready for him this year. They sat on Kennadia’s pitches this year and smack him hard.

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I guess we can speculate forever, but we all have to see what happens.

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bpoop,

Kennedy is ready in just about every way, he just has to learn how to pitch in the majors, and know how to get mentally tough against major league hitters, he can’t do that against minor leaguers. He has shown he can pitch in the majors by taking up the slack late last season when Old Man MESSina could barely drag his *** to the mound and got blasted.

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Bpark, Kennedy had an ERA under 2 in his 3 starts last year. How is that not ready? He also was the starting pitcher of the year in AAA in 07, what more can he prove at the AAA level? He’s down to get right ( I would’ve moved him to the pen first), but that’s it. He’s a big league pitcher.

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Hey, Moose spoke his mind about Clemens, even though he ticked Clemens off, Clemens respected him for speaking his mind. Though that being said, Clemens wouldn’t have taken the same verbal abuse from Pavano.

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Good thing your not a GM of another team Matress, glad they think differently about our “prospects”.

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That’s why I like Moose so much; he could give a crap about what someone thinks. If it’s on his mind, he’s going to say something. Not to mention he is still a pretty decent pitcher. Go Jamie Moyer v2.0!

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Kennedy is simple not ready, he wasn’t ready last year and he’s not ready now.

Wells is not working out, Wells is not pitching, he should be calling it a career. Clemens could end up with Boston, I still think we should offer him a small deal even if he pitches out of the pen and Matress, make sure to dap Moose.

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Igawa+ Betamit= TOTAL CRAPPOLA!!!!!
No trade value whatsoever.

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Let’s hope, Boston has plenty of talent they can put on the table. I don’t see Cleveland being excited abot Elsbury, though. They already have an identical player in Sizemore. Boston would have to cough up several pitching prospects to have a legit offer.

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Pavano’s truck mysteriously disapeared to give Clemens his spot. Clemens was without a spot for a couple of weeks. Bryan has an article about it. Clemens told Moose to handle it like he handle Pavano before opening day.

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Unfortunately, we don’t have 8 options to try at the major league level. What good is throwing garbage at a problem? Just a waste of time. I wouldn’t doubt that the Yanks make a trade for a reliever, I’m for that just as long as there names aren’t Karstens, Rasner , Igawa, “The Savior”, or “the Beer Guzzler”. Hope I didn’t start anything with that!!

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we see Hughes and Kennedy back in the majors this season, no reason not to. Hughes’s injury could be healed by July and could be back in August or September after a few rehab starts. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Kennedy back after 3 or 4 more starts in the minors. He needs to pitch at the major league level not the minors, where he has shown he can already pitch.

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If Pavano shows up in the locker room or even at the facility talking about pitching, he better hire some security with the 40M. Moose has trespassed him from the facility, including the parking structure where Moose has his car towed.

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I agree. Rushing Hughes back before he is healthy would be a monumental catastrophe.

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Cleveland is in a spot where they will get nothing but picks come November (unless they re-sign him). If we offered Kennedy and lets say Gardener, I think at the deadline, baring a stronger offer, it would be a done deal.

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I don’t care WHO steps up this year to fill these roles. I just want someone, ANYONE to do it. Hell, if Pavano came back and manned up I would be stoked.

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We have to get CC before Boston.

Matchbox, make sure to dap Moose tomorrow.

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I do Chaz. I feel Hughes has what it takes and will be back in july, I just don’t think he will come back this year if the july turns into August, etc. Cash won’t rush him back like a Mike Mussina if we have a reliable staff which will likely include Joba at that time.

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Trading for CC (if we have to) would suck. It would be cool if we could hold out till the offseason to get him. At least then he won’t cost us prospects AND crazy amounts of CASH.

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I’d like Rasner in the long relief role but we’d need another legit starter.

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Gotta think positive about Hughes, bpark. We know he can pitch here. I think his troubles at the start of this season were a product of concealing that rib injury. He’s young and dumb and full of….well, you know; an older player may have started the year on the DL and avoided those bad outings. I’m sure he will be great (enough) when he comes back.

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If we dealt Kennadia for someone like CC who will have for years to come, it wouldn’t bother me if don’t give up much more.

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Sorry chaz!!!! Sniff!!!!! Sniff!!!!!

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We have to beat Cleveland and beat them bad, they will be more apt to deal CC if they are out of contention. We don’t want CC getting to the open market where Boston will need a starter too.

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Wo, we had the same thought about Kennadia at the same time. Was he in the hotel with Ronaldo?

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Lack of pitchers major league ready combined with Cash’s coy statements suggests he is already working the phones laying the ground for something. And although, Karstens, Igawa and Betemit may not be worth much to us right, Boston got rid of Joel Pinero last year. Heck, I would not be shocked if Kennadia got dealt, don’t think it will happen but this type of thing has happen, especially with the Yankees.

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Wouldn’t be shocked if we deal Kennedy in that trade. Not that I want that, but I wouldn’t be shocked.

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There is absolutely no guarantee that Hughes recovers in time, I think he will be but if it gets to late August/september and he’s not ready, they may rethink that.

There absolutely no guarantee Kennadia comes back this year, Cash said he may leave Kennadia in the American League Alcohol Anoymous for an extended period and yesterdays start was good but he will need consistency that Igawa currently has his shot to earn more shots.

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Bpark is right.

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We have at least 6 to 8 guys we can try at the big league level for 2 spots in the rotation. No way that we go 0-8.

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Matress,

I can almost bet we will have one new pitcher in a midseason deal, be it a starter or a reliever.

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I agree with the fact that we need a legit long man from the pen. We needed one since we left spring training. My take is that we just need 40% of our rotation to win 50% of the time. This is not asking for performance beyond what 2 average type pitchers can deliver. I agree that 4 and 5 will be IPK and Hughes, but I think we’ll be OK until that happens. Stop pissing on my gate, Matt. Save it, just keep it off my wave. LOL

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You can’t get very far when 40% of your rotation is missing, and you continue to burn out the pen. Rasner, and Igawa aren’t the answer, especially Igawa who is leiving proof even pitchers who are nothing but pure crappola can get chance after chance, just because of your contract. Most likely, Hughes and Kennedy will be back this season so thankfully the Yanks won’t have to depend on the likes of Rasner, and Igawa. Unfortunately, chaz the Yanks don’t have gobs of options when it comes to pitching, at least not at the AAA level. If this team is going to continually lean on its pen like it always does it will still need a legit long man in the pen just to take pressure off of the rest of the pen.

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Has anyone noticed how striking out at the plate has lost its effect on people’s opinions about ballplayers? They used to crucify guys that struck out a lot. Nowadays, you’ve got guys like Ryan Howard that breaks his own record for k’s in a season every year, and wins NL MVP’s in the process. As much as baseball has stayed the same more or less over the decades, it has also changed quite a bit. I idolized guys like Mattingly, Gwynn, Boggs, and Brett back in the day for their ability to put the bat on the ball and get it in play. MLBers aren’t even embarrassed by punching out anymore.

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Gotta remember Joba is only automatic… most of the time. Lol. :P

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It’s strange to see L’s by Chamberlain’s name, I’m like um, what does that L mean? Love, lollipops, lizards? It can’t mean loss….. Chamberlain just spoiled the hell out of me. Anyways Go Yankees!

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Even Betemit didn’t strike out yesterday!

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Jump on my bandwagon or not, I think we are starting to put it all together.
We know we will get strong outings from Wang and Pettite
Moose is pitching as good or even better than anyone expected.
The bullpen is killing it right now.
The lineup is at least working towards waking up.
We have GOBS of options for starting pitching. To me there is no way that we won’t find 1 or 2 of those prospects to fill that #5 spot on a permanent basis, and the #4 spot until Hughes gets back. Keep in mind that we don’t need these guys to be Jake Peavy. We just need them to eat innings and give our offense a chance to win.
Cano seems like he’s on his way out. He’s put the bat on the ball hard the last few games.
While Giambi’s batting average is nothing to look at, He’s doing other things, he walks frequently, he’s hitting homers, playing respectable defense, and driving in runs on occasions.
A-Rod is on the comeback trail even with his wife throwing him under the bus. Evidently, A-Rod has trouble with real-life “clutch” situations too. LOL.

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD May 7, 2008

Charlotte (White Sox)
Scranton/WB 7PM
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Trenton 6:35PM
Erie (Tigers)
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Tampa 7PM
Brevard County (Brewers)
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Charleston 7:05PM
Asheville (Rockies)
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You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD May 6, 2008

Charlotte (White Sox) 0
Scranton/WB 4
W: I. Kennedy (1-0, 0.00); L: W. Whisler (5-1, 1.77)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_06_chraaa_swbaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Trenton 5
Erie (Tigers) 2
W: D. McCutchen (4-2, 2.15); L: A. Kown (2-3, 6.55)
HR: TRE: C. Malec (3). ERI: D. Ryan (5).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_06_treaax_eswaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Jupiter (Marlins) 4
Tampa 5 (10)
W: J. Valdez (5-1, 1.13); L: M. Lamacchia (0-2, 4.05)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_06_jupafa_tbyafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Charleston 7
Hickory (Pirates) 4
W: C. Heyer (2-0, 2.04); L: Z. Oliver (0-1, 5.79); SV: J. Ortiz (10)
HR: CHA: W. Rufino (5), A. Almonte (4).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_06_crdafx_hicafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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