Wang puts a stop to that

Chien-Ming Wang is quickly taking over Andy Pettitte’s role as the Yankees’ stopper. With a victory last night against the Mariners, the Yankees improved to 11-0 in the last eleven games Wang has pitched immediately following a loss. That’s good for them, because Wang’s win came on a day when Hank Steinbrenner decided to pipe up in Tampa, telling a reporter he is “very disappointed” with the way the Yankees have started the season.

That’s not altogether surprising news. You know this lineup is missing two key components with Alex Rodriguez and Jorge Posada both out, and I’m not sure anyone expected that Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes would both go through April winless. Basically the Yankees will have to try and at least tread water through this stretch without their big guns and hope to make some ground when they do get the firepower back.

They’ll have to play pretty close to perfect baseball to be a plus-.500 team with their second-string in the lineup, but on a night like Friday, a good pitching performance remedies much of the problem.

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Ah, I’m not a fan of Lowe’s either, but I just picked him out of the blue ( pun not intended ) since he was one of the few good pitchers headed for Free Agency. Other good pitchers set to hit FA are:

Ben Sheets
Sabathia
Penny ( option, I think )
Burnett
Lackey
Oliver Perez
Rich Harden ( health is a ? though )

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My understanding is Clemens was told to stay away in spring training and the drive wasn’t too far.

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Lowe? No thanks, Torre stop calling we want Moose not Lowe.

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I’m off today but just saw this discussion. Roger Clemens has no business being anywhere near the Yankees clubhouse. That would be a train wreck disaster. If Clemens returns this season I’ll eat my shirt.

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No way in hell we’d get Sabathia and Derek Lowe then put the latter in the five spot, no matter how much you dislike Kennedy :)

Besides he and Ben Sheets (I’m assuming he hasn’t signed an extention or anything) are going to be everybody’s back-up if CC heads to the Bronx.

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My point was in reference to Johnson’s 17 wins in his final season with the Yanks and how his win total is misleading, period, that’s all. I think we all expected Hughes and Kennedy to have problems this season, all part of the learning process. But not a pitcher like Randy Johnson who was just flat out awful after years of posting great numbers, so in a sense you can’t compare the two’s performances.

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Sorry, meant to say 17 victories not 16, I got to start proofing my posts one of these days.

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In that scenerio though Mussina shouldn’t be 4 and 3? I have him winning 15 games if the offense rides. If your point with RJ is accurate, the offense helped some of Kennedy’s games not be blowouts?

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I agree matt. RJ was not ny material.

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bpark,

I hate to pile on, but don’t include Johnson in these discussions. He was never that good with the Yanks, and he never really seemed to belong here, and was more of a detriment for the clubhouse atmosphere than anything else, he was another pitcher who wasn’t worthy of the money the Yanks paid him. He may have won 16 games his last season here, but that number is very misleading. He won those games because of the Yankees offense, not because of his talent. Look at his numbers, they were terrible. IF he were with any other team he would have been lucky to have won half those games.

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In 2007 Clemens clearly prooved to me that his body is done.

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD May 3, 2008

Durham (Rays) 8
Scranton/WB 15
W: J. Marquez (2-4, 7.47); L: M. Prochaska (1-2, 9.00)
HR: DUR: J. Rodriguez (5), D. Johnson (2), J. Weber (2), M. DiFelice (1). SWB: J. Christian (1).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_03_dubaaa_swbaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Portland (Red Sox) 3
Trenton 6
W: A. Claggett (1-0, 0.00); L: M. Asencio (1-2, 4.20); SV: J. Cox (1)
HR: TRE: C. Curtis (2).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_03_prtaax_treaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Jupiter (Marlins) 0
Tampa 5
W: A. Aceves (3-1, 2.60); L: G. Taylor (4-2, 3.40)
HR: TAM: J. Calzado (1).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_03_jupafa_tbyafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Charleston 8
Hickory (Pirates) 2
W: A. Olbrychowski (2-2, 3.94); L: D. Molleken (2-2, 4.68)
HR: CHA: B. Baisley (2), J. Snyder (2), D. Williams (2). HIC: M. Davis (5), E. Huber (5).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_05_03_crdafx_hicafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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Bryan Hoch! Wang is an Ace, period. Pettitte will always be our stopper, and he used to be an ace, but times change.

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Schillinger? Since when is Schilling a topic. Guy’s a big mouthed fool, although I like the way he insults people, like it’s cool. Randy Johnson was a soap opera in New York. His first year, he had an incident with a fan. Chh. RJ was not as valuable as Mussina is to us now. ACTUALLY, Mussina is still pitching for us, proves that Muss is the better value.

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Another Cleveland rocks L for Sabithia.

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Please don’t forget Boston’s Schillinger factor with Clemens and also Sabithia, Schillinger could miss the season, even though he re-signed.

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No matter what low key discussion have taken place regarding Sabithia:

some of our guys have no trade clauses or partial (Sui, Giambi?).
Boston likely has spoked to Cleveland also.
Cleveland could want a pitcher back. Kennedy is not an option, Marquez maybe?

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Mussina and Randy Johnson get a decision almost every game, it can be good or bad news.

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And it was something like 16 and 14, I prey for better from Mussina.

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16 wins for RJ, I misstyped that.

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For all dissing Mussina at 4 and 3, RJ had 18 wins his last year here, I’d rather have Mussina going to the mound. I have heard that we have been engadging Cleveland on Sabithia but its too early and he’s 1 and 4 including a loss against us.

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Bryan Hoch, have you been told not to post in the blog? Last year, you were more active and gave personal opinions. You said you had new ideas for the new season, can you let us in on those?

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Clemens’ personal life is on display like Bill Clinton, Clinton is still incredibly popular. Clemens is no pettifile, he has 4 kids, he is a new york yankee, we should be defending him, he helped win us WS’s. He pitched hurt for us last year and against the Mets in the WS>\.

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How many games were we below 500 before Clemens signed? What was the win/loss record while Clemens was here last year? Bryan Hoch, feel free to join this discussion. This doesn’t have to all be negative with regard to Clemens. Clemens has value as pitcher and a mentor.

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Everyone here is right Clemens is not the Clemens who won WS’s here. But he is better than what we got last year and there maybe some drop off from his 3 years with the Stros but he is still better than last years 6 and 6. He could easily have been 10 and 4 last year had he had more run support. I am shocked that true Yankees fan don’t support Clemens, he will go into the hall Yankee fitted, he is not a red sox and hasn’t been for over 10 years. He is a better option than Rasner and I’d rather pay Clemens the money Igawa is making, however, Clemens owes us and should take a “hometown-NY” discount. Clemens will always be a Yankee.

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I know Clemens used performance enhancing drugs I just never knew that those drugs were viagra. That man pitched well in his prime, I get it, but his actions outside of baseball have to be taken into account. Well, his age too.
Wang = life! He pitched amazing. Yesterday was actually a well-pitched game. Farnsworth was good. I was shocked. That guy has good stuff. I’m glad I saw Joba I was wearing my Chamberlain jersey. Today was the same story. I guess I’m good luck now. The Yankees are winning with me there. I’m impressed. Let’s hope tomorrow has the same story.

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Actually, Cano is running into some good pitching, contrary to the belief out there that he’s slumping because of his approach. Yes, Cano has always been an aggressive hitter, so he will swing at some bad pitches, that’s expected of him, but he’s also been a .330 plus hitter the last two years. So it’s not his approach that is killing him, it’s the pitcher’s approach that’s been stopping him. Pitchers have found out Cano’s hot zones, and have been avoiding them. Cano feeds off pitches in the middle of the zone, towards the inner half. He’s never been able to deal with the away pitch, and that’s where they’ve busted him all season long up to this point. Once they get him to the two strike mark, they get him to fish with breaking pitches that fall through the middle of the zone. Hence, his favorite hitting zone.

Cano struggling is due to getting into bad pitch counts. He’s going to have to watch some tape, observe how pitchers have been pitching him and adjust. Instead looking for the pitch middle in, he’s going to have to try and go away with the pitch taht’s middle away, and obviously, he needs to be more patient and get into hitter’s counts, where he WILL see more pitches down the middle of the zone.

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I can’t believe, I go away for a while and come back to find that Alex, Jorge and Phil are on DL, get swept by the Tigers. The only good news is “OUR ACE” Wang is pitching his heart out and Moose has performed well. The pen has also looked good. I see Rasner will make his big start tomorrow, hopefully with a good effort forthcoming. He’s earned the chance, now we will see if he has what it takes. Maybe now that he has now developed a cutter it may work out. i think Ian would be OK in the pen for a while, He can go 3 strong innings as a long reliever. Some bats have come alive, now if Cano & Big G can pick up the pace and start hitting as we know they can. Especially with Jorge & Arod out we need their help..

“GO YANKEES”

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First post, great blog. I am completely amazed however that there is actually someone in this world that thinks Roger Clemens should be in baseball, let alone play for the Yankees. Any team would be crazy to sign him for anything. I know he has some deal with the Astros, which would have never happened had there been knowledge of the circus he has created in his life. On top of that, he wasn’t very good last year. Yea he two hit boston and had some okay outings, but the bottom line he was a waste of money, every start he had, every inning he pitched, should have gone to a kid that has a future with the organization. I don’t know what the answer is for this team and the pitching. Wang is the real deal, Mussina has looked good in his last three starts, and Pettitte has been reliable in the past. I’m wondering if there is a ignore button or some rule that could be applied to anyone who suggests Roger Clemens as a Yankee. And remember, Hank said no when asked if Roger would be a Yankee again earlier in the spring.

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Next year’s rotation:

1. Wang
2. ???
3.Hughes ( depends on his perfromance )
4. Chamberlain ( depends on his performance as a starter )
5. Kennedy ( depends on his performance )

If we make the right moves, our rotation may look like thios next year:

1. Wang
2. Sabathia ( assuming he makes it out of Cleveland, he too is struggling. )
3. Hughes ( I think he’ll come back strong in July )
4. Chamberlain ( He too will dominate )
5. Derek Lowe ( just because I don’t like Kennedy right now. )

now that is a good roation, obviously we know what to expect from this group.

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BDSouth, you’re right on both counts.

‘IF’ Rasner can pitch 5-6 innings and give up 4 runs or less most of his starts, than we should win those games with our offense. Now that our offense is begining to click, we should hopefully see some wins.

I guess it’s true that as your leadoff hitter goes, so your lineup goes. Damon is hitting well, and all of a sudden we look alive.

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It saddens me to say that, because Clemens was a pitcher I once respected greatly. I imagine everyone did, from the young pitchers to Hank and Cashman, who brought him back when he was past it, to all the Yankee fans (myself included) who looked past his age and hoped he would help steady our rotation.

Well, the shattering of that illusion is what, more than anything, leads me to believe that there is no way we will ever see Clemens in pinstripes ever again.

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Hey, hey! I think I’ve had enough of this Clemens bullshit. We had ALL December to curse out his brains and disgrace his whole upbringing as a person and as a whole. On to baseball. Rasner is going to get his chance tommorow, and whether or not he stays in this rotation depends on his consistency as a starter. If he can give us five-six solid innings of baseball every 3 of 5 starts, that is more than enough. I’m eager to see how he does tommorow. Wang is what he is, an Ace– in my opinion. Mussina is a crafty veteran, and although he may not draw comparisons to Greg Maddux, he is very similar to him. Andy Pettitte is our stopper, but can be shaky, both Mussina and Pettitte cannot gt by on stuf anymore; they rely greatly on their location in any given start, and that’s why they will lose more often. Phil Hughes is gone, Kennedy needs to put his failures to use and learn from them, he’s obviously shaky on the mound –and that’s normal for a pitcher of his age at this level.

All in all, we all knew what this rotation had in store for this team in the beginning: a lot of question marks, and here we are, May, struggling to stay above .500 baseball. Baseball is pitching, and thsi club doesn’t have it. Whether or not Hughes and Kennedy develop into what we would love for them to become is far away, and Mussina and Pettitte are both gone next year.

Year of transition, it is.

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I agree. Clemens is not the answer. Even if we concede that he is still an effective pitcher, something I am not prepared to do, the character issues are too much to accept. The Yankee uniform is the greatest in professional sports, and no scandal should be allowed near it.

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Not to mention Roger Clemens is way beyond his time; he won’t be able to get it done.

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Roger Clemens is not only a disgrace of a baseball player, but a person as a whole. Anyone who thinks hiring Clemens would be a good choice for the Yankees is sadly mistaken. Do you think Brian Cashman would ever make the mistake of saying “HEY LETS SIGN CLEMENS TO A PRO-RATED CONTRACT” to attract even more negative media to New York? Thnakfully, Cashman isn’t that stupid… And we’d hope that Hank Steinbrenner isn’t either.

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I am very serious about Clemens. Sign him today. Move Kennedy to single A Tampa. White’s ERA is decent, add 3 to it for NY?

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bpark are you serious with Clemens? He won’t be able to give us at worst 6 IP 3 ER, thats a best case scenario and his stats from last year prove that. He had 99 IP in 17 starts and 18 appearances last year, averaging out to 5.8 IP per start. His ERA was 4.18 so there’s no way he’ll give us consistency that you think he will. Rasner will be 100 times better for the club then Clemens, he has potential to break into the rotation next year after we lose Pettitte, Moose, and possibly Kennedy (to AAA). The Yankees need to cut ties with the old school of thought (old washed up has-beens) and accept that Rasner has now developed a cutter, has been more than effective in AAA, and has earned an opportunity to be a plug-in option with Phil on the DL. Clemens should not and better not get a contract with the Yankees.

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He did struggle a little, but only pitched a couple of innings. He is at SWB 2-1 3.21.

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I thought he had struggled in spring and was reassigned to minor league camp?

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Actually, we haven’t seen what White can do yet. He hasn’t had a real chance to pitch in the majors. His stuff is better than Rasner’s, or Igawa’s with a 93-95 mph fastball. I do agree with Rasner, and Igawa we do know what we are getting, that’s why I say White and put McCutcheon, and Betances on a fast track to the majors.

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Matt, I really don’t want to see Rasner, Igawa or White. They are fools gold. One good start and people think we have a keeper. Atleast with Clemens, we know what we get, 6 innings 3 runs at worst/or scratch which = above names.

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Also wouldn’t be surprised to see guys like McCutcheon, and Betances, who has been dominant in single A put on a faster tack to the majors considering the lack of pitching depth.

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Good to hear that the Yanks aren’t in a rush to make a rash decision by sending Kennedy down, not that I’m opposed to that, but his problems are all mental not mechanical, like I have said. At least this team is in a part of the schedule that won’t need a 5 man rotation for a short while so that Eiland can work with Kennedy at the major league level, and everyone can take a breath, and approach the problem from a different angle. It may be a better option than have him work it out in the minors. His problem stems from a lack of experience in the majors pitching to major league hitters not minor leaguers.

The Yanks may have a better option than Rasner or Igawa after all in Steven White who has always been successful in the minors and has better stuff than Rasner or Igawa. IF Rasner fails he might just get a look.

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With a 5 run lead, its not a save situation, Hawkins gets work, he messes up, Mo gets a save.

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Edwar needs to work on his command. He is going to walk his way back to AAA

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Actually, I LOVE putting Hawkins in that spot. It shows Girardi is adapting the game plan from day to day. Hawkins was originally signed as the “set-up” guy and they gave him bunches of money to do it. Well, it’s obvious he can’t do that successfully right now so put him in a game when you’re up by 5. Keep him fresh and who knows, maybe in a month he’ll be the next hot Yankee reliever.

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Smart move to take Messina out after six innings, they know that’s his max, but why Hawkins?

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Wow what a game for Damon, if he can hit like this we’ll be in a lot better shape.

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Yeah, if he doesn’t go more than 5 or 6 innings!!

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Phew. I thought Mussina may be in trouble there with 2 on and 1 out. Double play saves the day.

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Mussina is looking better past 3 starts

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Yeah LF is probably best for Damon, those two errors were bad, between the 4 in 3 innings last night, and now 2 in the first 3 again thats bad.

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haha what was that E7. ludicrous.

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Melky has got to be in CF. I like Damon in left, he has good speed and covers a lot of ground out there.

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Here comes the Yankee offense we all know and love, Jeter with a double after JD’s 400th double and 2nd of today. If Damon can stay hot he’ll be a great leadoff DH for us, but I still like Melky in CF.

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Is there anyway the Yankees can clone Master Wang three times over? Just think where this club would be without Master Wang.

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I’m looking forward to see what Rasner gives us Sunday.

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