The Moose is Loose

Jamie Moyer? Mike Mussina thinks not. The Moose was loose for seven sharp innings on Wednesday, limiting the White Sox to just two solo home runs in the Yankees’ 6-4 victory. Mussina showed the ability to make adjustments, abandoning his curveball and throwing more running two-seamers with sink. Hey, forget Moyer – he’s Chien-Ming Wang!

In all seriousness, Mussina should be savoring these as he goes along. He can still pitch when everything’s clicking, like it was in Chicago. He’s going to have days rougher than Wednesday, too, and fans need to be prepared for that. But the Yankees are looking to Mussina to be their third starter, not an ace, and by reshuffling their rotation they’ll be able to avoid mismatches like the Mussina vs. Josh Beckett debacle at Fenway.

In other news…

Phil Hughes says his velocity is just fine - note to fans, stop waiting for the 95 mph-plus heaters to pop in. He’s not Joba Chamberlain. Hughes himself said he only hit 95 mph three times in 2006 at Trenton, when he went over the radar gun readings after every start. … Anyone else see what Darrell Rasner is up to lately? He’s only leading the International League in ERA. Ian Kennedy, be warned. … The buried David Ortiz jersey went for $175,000. Wonder if the construction worker would like to have it back? … If you had Ella Alexander Rodriguez in the ‘Name A-Rod’s Baby’ pool, congratulations — you’ve won. 

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I wouldn’t say Chamberlain is ahead of schedule at all, not when his opportunities, and innings are limited like they have been this season which will continue to be limited as a reliever. He’s not developing as a starter as long as he is in the pen.

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I was thinking of the same story about Girardi and Marlins when they didn’t bring Hughes back in. Also, don’t forget – not only was the rain delay 51 minutes, but he had already sat through the top of the third which took about 20 minutes when Floyd got himself in trouble. Overall – the wait was way over an hour and even though Cone said 90 minutes wasn’t unheard of – Cone was also the same guy who used to throw like 150 pitches a game (maybe he should have thrown an inning last night?). Anyway, like elfman said – they aren’t going to mess around with the “prized possession”.

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It’s all the age. Even if it were Wang, he probably would have been back out there. You know how these organizations treat “the prized possession.” Also, there’s a well documented story of how when Girardi was managing the Marlins, he brought one of their young starters back into a game after a lengthy rain delay and the pitcher actually injured himself and was never the same again. So it’s all just precautionary stuff.

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Listening to Cone and Kay on Yes last night, Cone was asked (about rain delays) “How long??” He said 90 minutes wasn’t unheard of at all. So a 51 minute delay and Hughes is out??

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Come on. Flody can come back after the rain delay but Hughes cant? And last night was proof positive that we DON’T have a legitimate long reliever in our ‘pen. Those are game you MUST MUST win. For the most part this season, those are games that the SUCHS ARE winning.

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I think that once the Yanks get out of Cleveland, they should be MUCH better off. I think they’ll start to heat up because 1.) they finally come home for 10 days and 2.) they actually have a day off! I know. I don’t really believe it either.

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Good series overall though. The starters looked sharp. The hitting really came around (even without Arod). To me the major blip was Ohlendorf today, but even that was sort of a weird situation to be in. It looks like he’s officially a 1 inning pitcher now which is perfectly useful, but I don’t think they can use him as a long guy even though he used to be a starter. We’ll see how it pans out though.

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Tough Loss …. Not much more to say, than that !!!

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If this goes extra innings…

the pen has just Mo & Traber after Joba.

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well credit to Swisher there – it was down and on the outside.

One day…maybe.

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Farnsworth has had his critics probably justifiably so but so far to date Spring and season proper I would give him better than a pass mark, probably a distinction but it is still early.

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Can Kyle Fransworth ever come into a game, and “NOT GIVE UP A HIT” !!!

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Cano walked!! Then again as ruffled as Linebrink is Betemit might have managed it

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If Cano picks up we’d have one hell of an offense

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hmmm other than the obvious lack of big league starter experience Joba will get this year, what options are there for giving him extra innings after the season finishes??

I wouldn’t worry about holding back his development too much though. Joba only spent a year in the minors, so he’s ahead of schedule.

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Yes, Matt …

The great Joba debate presents a “BIG PROBLEM” for the Yankees !!!

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Hey kbp,

There is always a risk for any player in any sport to be continually switched from one role to another especially when you’re talking about going from reliever to starter, and back again, there’s a whole different mind frame between the two roles. Also the Yanks didn’t spend a 1st Rd pick for on him just to be a setup man, he’s going to be a starter eventually. With that being said, it’s important for him to get as many innings in as possible sooner rather than later, don’t forget he didn’t pitch all that many innings as a college senior. Jeremy hit on a good point, at what point do the Yanks stop limiting his innings which would limit his effectiveness as a starter. Is it 2 years from now? 3 years from now? As long as he is in the pen it gets harder and harder to determine. Like I said it’s better that he starts his development as a starter sooner rather than later. The Yanks could be making a mistake by handling him this way.

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the guy in the crowd should just give up

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Yes, Melky !!!!!!

HOMERUN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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hahaahhh according to Michael Kay, George Foreman named all six of his sons George Foreman…

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I knew there was a reason why I didn’t want to see Hawkins on this team, it just keeps getting clearer, and clearer.

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Jimmy,

You’re right about Chamberlain not being sent down to the minors this season. I just don’t see it happening either as there is no one who can fill his position unless this team makes some sort of trade at some point to take his spot. It definitely won’t be Hawkins or Farnsworth, I was going to say Ohlendorf could take his spot but he just got ripped. I remain concerned at how he will be used during the season as well. He hasn’t been used much at all so far as a setup man, that will most likely change as the season goes, but as you pointed out he won’t be getting in many innings unless he is switched to a starter.

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seems daft now…. no Bruney, Rivera probably not available either.

5! & Ohlendorf is going to have to pitch more innings.

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The Bullpen, The Bullpen, The Bullpen !!! … Oh, the Bullpen !!!

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Errgh. Ohlendorf.

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Ohlendorf has given up 4 to date still with two on two out spells trouble, Surely Hughes should have been left in unless injured which does seem the case, it was only a 40 minute delay.

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Obviously, Hughes can hit 95 mph on the gun as tonight’s game showed. Once he gets comfortable at the major league level, and learns to pitch it could be a common thing. His teammates weren’t comparing him to Clemens for nothing.

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that was a lengthy warm-up. Let’s hope Floyd’s completely frosty

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Hughes has been taken out after the 40 minute rain delay, Floyd has been kept in, interesting they did the same I think recently with Kennedy. Now it is up to the pen. This may be a chance for Chamberlain to come in earlier than seventh. Can he or will he ?????

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weird I didn’t notice him yesterday. Good job so far by Melky of blacking it out.

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Bonus game back on, commentators have forgotten to arrive back.

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GAME ON!! Hughes out – Ohlendorf in – apparently it’s raining again.

No chance for Hughes to further his good start and get that ERA down

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Game back on

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Matt and everyone else

Your comments about slowing Chamberlain’s process into a starter even for 2008 being a problem. Mate how old is he he is not 23, 24, 25 he is still a baby with HUGE potential for 13-15 years as a starter. Management are not dills they know exactly what they are doing in my humble opinion. I reckon trust and back their judgement for better or qorse in 2008. Look at the BIG picture.

Candy the turkey has been there for the past two games bagging Melky at EVERY pitch. It is a photo finish who is worst him, the guy from Tamp and the current Sox commentators who swore every fly ball hit yesterday by the Sox was going over the wall even while Melky was sitting under it waiting for it to drop. They are almost as bad as the other two.

Aussie Bryan

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD April 24, 2008

Buffalo (Indians) 1
Scranton/WB 3
W: D. Giese (1-0, 0.86); L: M. Ginter (0-3, 6.75); SV: J. Veras (6)
HR: SWB: S. Duncan (6).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_24_bufaaa_swbaaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
New Britain (Twins 1
Trenton 2
W: Z. Kroenke (1-0, 2.35); L: Y. Pino (0-1, 1.35); SV: E. Wordekemper (3)
HR: NBR: D. Winfree (3). TRE: M. Carson (4).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_24_nbraax_treaax_1&t=g_log&did=milb
Fort Myers (Twins) 2
Tampa 4
W: E. Hacker (2-1, 0.82); L: C. Devries (1-3, 5.48); SV: J. Hovis (3)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_24_ftmafa_tbyafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Columbus (Rays) 3
Charleston 5
W: J. Hoover (2-0, 2.00); L: K. Boggan (0-1, 6.52); SV: J. Ortiz (7)
HR: COL: H. Wrigley (2). CHA: W. Rufino (3), B. Laird (1).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_24_clmafx_crdafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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i’m watching YES no news as of yet – a documentary about Casey Stengel

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anyone watching the game on yes? i can’t see the latest with the rain delay because i’m an out of market fan. is there an ETA to resume play?

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Bobby Abreu, “Sweet As Candy” !!!

He is such a great hitter! … That was Bobby’s 1000th career RBI … Congratulations to Bobby Abreu !!!

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Matt,

I totally agree !!! … That was my position regarding Joba right from the beginning !!! … He should have been in the starting rotation at the start of of the season …At this point, the way Farnsworth, Hawkins, and the rest of the Yankee bullpen is pitching [except, of course Mariano and Joba] there is “no way” the Yankees are going to send Joba down to (AAA) SWB in the middle of the season …They can’t…. Who is going to replace Joba as the 8th inning set-up man??? That pitcher is not on the pitching staff, “NOW”; and, I don’t think the Yankees have a pitcher ready to come up from the minors to take over that role….I also agree that Joba’s development [as a starter] will be compromised if he stays in the bullpen the whole season …If that happens, Joba will only pitch about 100 innings this year …and, then, what happens “next year” ??? There will still be an innings limitation, and how many games will he be able to start then, [in 2009] ? …It is a problem !!! …. One way that the Yankees can overcome it [somewhat], is to “Score Many Runs” each game….The only saving grace is: we do know that “the Yankees will score a lot of runs this year” !!! … Jimmy27NYY …

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arghhh that fan who insists shouting at only Melky is back…

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A good sign in the early going here. Hughes is throwing his fastball at around 95 mph in this game like I knew he would, and obviously could do. That’s an improvement in velocity from 90-91 mph which is what he has been throwing at in all his previous starts this season. Hopefully he can keep it up while at the same time maintain his control.

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Hughes looking good after 2, Giambi is playing like an amateur. He looks lost at 1st..
“GO YANKEES”

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Just looking ahead at the schedule. Home & Away against the Tigers…if Hughes & Kennedy can come through that and the games with Cleveland they should be able to pitch anywhere in the bigs

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IF the Yanks keep Chamberlain in the pen the entire season, it will slow his development as a starter all that much more, as they may make him a starter next season, and limiting his innings next season thus limiting his effectiveness for yet another season as a pitcher. This is one of the reasons I was more in favor of having him as a starter at the beginning of the season rather than having him as a possible starter in the second half. The Yanks could have used ST to develop him as a starter and stretched him out then, but now they may have to wait around mid-season and possibly losing him for a month in the minors. At least the Yanks would have had the time to make whatever adjustments they would need to make regardless if he succeeded or failed as a reliever. Yanks could have gone harder after a reliever in the offseason, but didn’t.

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The only team that doesn’t believe in the 100 pitch count entirely is Toronto. Halliday has 3, yes TRHEE complete games and I believe two of them were for losses. And then Toronto got crap from the dunces on baseball Tonight for it because he was throwing too many innings early on. I can’t stand those Red Sox loving morons an that show to begin with but Holliday gives toronto the best chance to win and when they’re losing the bast chance to stay in the game, if it were Beckett it would be because he’s the “most dominating pitcher in baseball and he can do it,” but its not so its wrong to the BT people.

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Yeah, there were some players on the Red Sox that had the flu…but, I’m not sure of the details…Anyway, I did watch the Boston game this afternoon, and for the record, the following are the “pitching performances” of the “five” Red Sox relievers who pitched the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings, and turned a 3-1 Boston lead [after 6 innings] into a 7-5 Angels win, [and, ruined a great Major League debut by the young Red Sox pitcher, Justin Masterson…. Lopez, 0.0 IP; 1 H; 2 ER; 1 BB; 0 K’s; 4.82 ERA … Delcarmen, [L, 0-1], 0.0 IP; 2 H; 2 ER; 1 BB; 0 K’s; 5.08 ERA … Okajima, 1 IP; 2 H; 0 ER; 1 BB; 2 K’s; 0.98 ERA …Aardsma, 1 IP; 2 H; 1 ER; 1 BB; 1 K; 3.55 ERA …Tavarez, 1 IP; 1 H; 1 (unearned run); 1 BB; 0 K’s; 5.23 ERA …. So, the Red Sox bullpen gave-up, 6 runs, by allowing 8 hits; 5 walks, in 3 innings of work … Not Very Effective !!! …Jimmy27NYY… http://baseballtheyankeesandlife.mlblogs.com/

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Mussina will only behind Kennedy in a rotation after he’s retire, he has over 250 wins to Kennedy’s less than 5.

Going with what Matt said, we will put Chamberlain in the rotation sometime during the 2nd half. Hopefully we will have replaced him in the pen. Ian Kennadia won’t be with us until August, Scranton is his home until we expand the rosters. I could however see another aboutface and Chamberlain stay in the pen the whole year.

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glewis,

I agree with you, Mussina is a #3 by default, and that doesn’t speak well of the current status of this rotation. It’s never a good sign when you have a pitcher who is barely on his last leg of his career to be a #3, especially when he is liable to blowup at any time for who knows how many games.

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Rasner will probably end up being a clone of Igawa, meaning he will be good at the minor league level, horrible at the major league level.

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Mussina a #3? LOL!!!! There’s no way he is a #3 by any stretch of the imagination. He’s only a#3 on this staff by default, because of the problems of Hughes, and Kennedy. When those two straighten themselves out he will be back to being nothing more than a #5. He would be nothing more than a #5 on most good staffs, that in itself speaks volumes about the state of the rotation.

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poor Boston. Jimmy, today’s game has almost completely abandoned letting a pitcher go over 100 pitches. I’m shocked when they don’t pull a guy for pitch count in the middle of a no-no.

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Jimmy, I think alot of red sox pitchers are out with the flu. Del Carmen is not available, Becket and Dice K were scratched.

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Haha no way! My twins name is Ella…and it’s our birthday tomorrow!! I’m not that worried about Moose or Phil at this point really, there starts have not been great though. I’d only be worried if it’s like this in a month from now. I mentioned Rasner as a potential long reliever the other day. Cashman could give it a shot.

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The Yankees are not the only team with problems in the bullpen…

The Red Sox bullpen ruined a very impressive Major League starting pitching debut by 23 year-old , right-handed picher, Justin Masterson….He pitched a solid six-innings, giving up only two-hits and one run, while walking four, and striking out four…. Masterson threw 95 pitches over six-innings of work, and left the game with the Red Sox leading 3-1…Then, “five” Boston relievers came in from the bullpen, and gave up 6-runs over the last three innings to blow the game, and turn a 3-1 lead into a 7-5 Red Sox loss..A two-out, two-run homerun, by David Ortiz, in the bottom of the 9th, made the score look closer than it was … So, again, a great game by a “starter” is ruined by a very ineffective bullpen … I’m happy that the Red Sox lost, as the Yankees go into tonight’s game only one game behind the Sox in the loss column….But, this game shows [once again] how teams throughout baseball all have the same misguided pitching philosophy…They do not allow the starters to stay in games [into the 7, 8, and 9th innings] when they are pitching a really great game….Final score: Angels 7, Red Sox 5 …Great news for the Yankees, but really a “shame” that a young pitcher, Justin Masterson, gets nothing for is great effort, and such an awesome pitching performance !!!… Go Yankees, for a sweep of the White Sox , tonight; and, then, a four-game sweep of the Indians !!! … Jimmy27NYY … http://baseballtheyankeesandlife.mlblogs.com/

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Manny needs to be DH’ing but what do you do with Papi when Youklis plays first.

Aussie B, thanks for the email, enjoy your visit.

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Despite a two run shot from Ortiz in the ninth The red Sox lose it 7-5 that is good news. Now hopefully the cream can start rising to the top starting with Hughes in 3 hours or so, a win tonight and he is due will start the cream rising.

Aussie Bryan

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Listening to the Angels / Sox game. 9th inning 7-5 LA…WINS FINAL!!
The Sox announcer is really boring.
Moose had a great game, maybe I am wrong, We’ll see. Good to see Jorge & Damon had good games. I hope this is the lift we need. It’s good to see some hitting w/men on base.. Phil is going tonight, looking for his first win of many for this season.
Hoping for the sweep tonight, keeping our bats hot.
“GO YANKEES”

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Like I said Mussina is at 3, Pettitte will be 1 when then push the rotation back a day.

Rasner over Kennedy? He did have a 2 hitter I believe when Clemens reintroduced himself.

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