Talkin’ Yankees

When’s the last time you heard the name Roger Clemens and didn’t want to cringe? Well, we’ve all had our fill of the steroids stories, but there’s a new book out that looks at the Rocket in a little different light. Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com has talked to the guys who actually dug in (not that deep, we presume) against Clemens in his new book, Facing Clemens. Check it out. One of my favorite events to cover was Clemens’ 300th win; I truly felt lucky to be there for that game and it’s a shame that Clemens’ legacy will be (forever?) tainted by the PED situation.

My colleague Scott Merkin, the White Sox correspondent for MLB.com, passed along a few amusing quotes from this afternoon’s session with manager Ozzie Guillen. Apparently the Yankees were a prime topic of discussion. Most prominently, Ozzie weighed in on the Joba Chamberlain — starter or reliever? — controversy.

“I’ve never seen him as a starter, and I don’t have any opinion about him starting,” Guillen said. “But what I see from him out of the bullpen, that was pretty special. Real special. That guy has an arm and is going to make a lot of money. And he plays for the right team. He’ll make a lot of money.

“But that’s the first time I’ve seen him, too. I never [saw] him last year. But what I [saw] last night, that’s electric stuff. They have a manager and GM to make those decisions, and they will make the best decision for the ballclub and the kid. And I think Joe Girardi will handle that situation well because Joe Girardi is a baseball man and knows what he’s doing.

“Just make him a starter. We can see him once a week and not every day. I’m telling you, you see this kid coming out of the ‘pen every day, and it’s pretty interesting. You see him and Mo back-to-back, that’s something special. Where they find that kid?”

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If the Yanks are going to try Chamberlain as a starter this season, they will probably need to stretch him out in the minors before the All-Star break as he may need at least 4-5 starts to stretch him out. Like I said, it doesn’t matter who is in the pen, when the rotation is a mess and can’t give the pen a lead to work with or if the pen remains as shaky as it has been this season giving up runs. Chamberlain hasn’t even been used that much in the setup role this season so his talents are being wasted. He is far more special as a starter than a setup man.

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I wouldn’t deal Kennedy either but if getting a solid setup man put Joba in the rotation, the deal might be worth it. LaTroy Hawkins looks like he has trouble with right handers. Kennedy obviously needs to go back to aaa for work.

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Guillen is awesome. He is definitely on of my favorite skippers in the big leagues. He doesn’t give a crap who is listening; he just says what’s on his mind. And what a total redass.

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Holy cow, Boston actualy lost a game. Didn’t think anyone was going to be able to finish them off.

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I wouldn’t deal Kennedy down the river just yet. A 22 year old top tier prospect for a 33 year old reliever? Nah. Pass.

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I think there is no reason to panic here. The Yankees have a plan, let’s see how it turns out. Joba will be a starter at some point, there is no question. I don’t think we should be shipping Kennedy out for a set-up guy right now. It is the first month of the season, we have a winning record, the bats are warming up, Moose through a great game last night… things are not going badly. For the most part our bull pen has held up. I say if we need Joba in the pen this year to get to the play-offs and win 27, he should stay right there. Then next year he starts. At that point Hughes and Kennedy will have a full season under their belts, Moose will be gone and CC Sabathia will be a free agent.

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I’ll talk Igawa with Colorado too.

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What does Colorado want for Fuentes? Fuentes and HelkerSkelton? I’d give em Kennedy, Sui and a prospect or 2.

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Red Sox down 3-6 top of the eigth thats not so bad

Aussie Bryan

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I agree, Bpark. I think that it is in Cashman’s best interest to put a trade package together at the deadline for someone’s set-up man. I like Jon Broxton for LA. He’s Satan reincarnate on the mound. We could go for several other guys that may be able to do the job. After all, we certainly don’t have to unload top-level prospects to land a setup relief guy.

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All you gotta do Chaz is get a reliable setup man and Joba starts. Fuentes is back closing for the Rockies.

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Noone is going to convince me that taking a guy that could be a 20 game winner, and making him a permanent late-inning reliever is a smart move. In fact, I think it’s the most counter-productive idea possible. This is more of that “win now, screw tomorrow” stuff that I have spoken out against for the last year on this blog. That said, keeping him as a set-up guy for the remainder of the season and making him a starter next year is a better idea than trying to “stretch out his arm” at the break. We need Joba in the pen, but we need him FAR MORE as a starter. We don’t need a staff ace to pitch 1 inning every 2 days.

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Your right Aussie B, most pitchers try to get hitters to chase after 2 strikes. Fearless pitchers smell blood and go after the hitter when they have 2 strikes. Mussina try that will Manny twice and twice got rocked.

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If it isn’t broken don’t fix it. Whichever stat you look at for Joba they are all spectacular ERA etc. The one sta that seems to be overlooked is when he has two strikes how many hits are then given up. I don’t sadly have the exact figure someone will or at least find it somewhere. I believe it is something like 35-6 whatever it is it outstanding. Can someone find the figure.
With two strikes he goes right after the hitter not like others everywhere who fiddle and fart around.
The management know they have something very very special, they have a manager who really knows how to manage the kid. I say keep him where he is until say June-July hopefully the team is say 45-27 by the time they play San Diego on 17 Jun at Yankee Stadium. Then throw him in for two starts in that homestand. If he successds unbelievable then keep him if not back to the pen. That gives them enough time to have another crack say in August and prepare hopefully for a post season.

They know what they are doing having something special for another 13-15 years and they have to prepare him for that.
Patience everybody patience.

Anyway as I am coming to New York for the next 8 game homestand I selfishly want to see him pitch in 7 of them.

Aussie Bryan

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Wow, I thought this was for tonight’s game. If there’s a newer post for tonight, I’ll be there. Yanks win. Awesome.

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Hawkins is on a 1 year deal…smart move.

Chamberlain is limited by pitches, likely to a 4-5 innings, meaning the pen has to pitch 4-5 inning on that night, OUCH!

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It’s gonna hurt, I’m hurting right now just thinkng about it…unless the Yankees can sign K-Rod, to steup and then take over the closer’s role, when Rivera retires. Finding a good setup man is not easy, I mean if you think about it we haven’t had one since Rivera was setting up for John Wettland.

By jeterstar@yahoo.com on April 24, 2008 2:25 PM

Flash worked well enough.

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We do have prospects in the system who have the ability to be quality setup men like Cox, Sanchez, Melancon, Betances, they all have the ability to become closers after Rivera retires. We just need to be patient with them, and they need to be given the opportunity to prove themselves. I thought we all agreed that it’s best to give these kids the opportunity to develop rather than continually trading away prospects or signing established players to long term contracts only to see them possibly fall on their faces.

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I have no doubt in my mind that he is capable of being a dominant starter which he will be eventuallythat’s where his true value lies. Doesn’t matter how shaky the pen is if the rotation can’t get them a lead to work with either.

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True, the pen has been shaky, but so has the rotation with Hughes, and Kennedy struggling, and Mussina prone to bad starts ( you guys knew I had to include him in this, didn’t you?). It needs someone who has the talent and ability to be dominant, someone who can shut an opponent down, and stabilize the rotation. However, if Chamberlain can’t even go 5 Innings per start that means he isn’t physically ready to start, therefore move him back to the pen. It’s more important to straighten out the starting rotation first, otherwise the pen will continue to be overworked due to bad starts by the rotation.

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It’s gonna hurt, I’m hurting right now just thinkng about it…unless the Yankees can sign K-Rod, to steup and then take over the closer’s role, when Rivera retires. Finding a good setup man is not easy, I mean if you think about it we haven’t had one since Rivera was setting up for John Wettland.

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The other thing Matt, what if Joba is dominant as a starter but is limited to 4-5 innings, then the pen comes in and losses his shut out?

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I don’t think it will hurt at all. I think it will only help the Yanks more if he succeeds as a starter, the Yanks can try putting Ohlendorff in his spot as a setup man or try other options like Humberto Sanchez when he recovers, but if he fails as a starter the Yanks will simply move him back to the pen where he will still dominate.

By matt_saiki@yahoo.com on April 24, 2008 2:15 PM

We could do that Matt, our pen has been so shaky over the past few years, I would hesitate taking Joba out unless Fuentes is aquired.

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Moose was excellent last night, thats why he’s our #3.

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There won’t be another Joba but anything close will work, they will be better than Farnsworth if they are close to Joba.

Despite, Oakland telling Bonds they want to get younger, they signed Franklyn Dela Thomas today.

Cano is a 300 hitter but I am worried about his vision. He seems to be sqinting alot, does he wear contacts? Time to change them.

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I don’t think it will hurt at all. I think it will only help the Yanks more if he succeeds as a starter, the Yanks can try putting Ohlendorff in his spot as a setup man or try other options like Humberto Sanchez when he recovers, but if he fails as a starter the Yanks will simply move him back to the pen where he will still dominate.

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I saw an interesting stat during the pre-game show yesterday, the Yankees are 23-3 when Chamberlain makes an appearence. That stat really puts things into perspective, it’s gonna hurt like hell when he leaves the pen.

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TAKE A PITCH, CANO!

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Cano will not be the be all end all 2B until he can learn patience at the plate. He’ll also stop being a .300 hitter if he keeps it up. Pitchers at this level aren’t stupid. They know he’ll hack, so they are not going to lay a cookie in there for him to try and get ahead. He’ll spend the rest of the season hitting soft ground balls all over the infield because they are giving him off-speed stuff low and away EVERY time. I’m starting to get annoyed.

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Hopefully Sanchez or one of the other young pitchers will be ready to take Hawkins spot in the pen by the All Star break. Who knows, maybe we have another Joba somewhere in the organisation.

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Hawkins can’t wear 22 either pitching like that.

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That was almost exactly how a Moose start should be expected to be scripted, save for the 7 innings. I would have said 6+. Otherwise, I’m a little surprised that Joe didn’t keep Traber in. He didn’t get Thome out but he has shown stuff from both sides of the plate. Bringing in Mo for a 5 out save likely means he’s not availble for tonight. Hawkins hasn’t proven anything yet but proving my dictate that not EVERYONE can play in NY. Vasquez was one of them. Hawkins may well be another. Damon adds another 10 points to his avg and another 2 rbi’s to his total.
And I think I am going to TiVO every game from now on so that I can fast forward past each first pitch to Cano. That way, IF he gets past it without either whiffing or getting out, I can see an ACTUAL ab. Do he and Abreu not get along?? Can’t abreu give him some pointers on how to be patient at the plate?? What is in that guys head???

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Great game. The offense is not only picking it up overall, but it’s starting to string together hits instead of getting one hit per inning. Moose looked pretty good. He’ll have games like that. He’ll have games where he gets shelled. That’s how it’s going to be. I’ll take it from a number 5.

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Once again, we see why so many of us are nervous about having Hawkins in the pen this year along with Farnsworth.

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Pavano and Mussina combine for TWO wins now.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=nyy

Joba has the lowest salary on the team, he gets about 5,000 per game, compared to Clemens’ half mill/ pitch.

Pavano and Mussina have 22M combined for 1 win.

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Bryan your titles crack me up…”Posada back behind the dish”…plates and dishes look nothing alike.

Joba Dabbo Doo.

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Anyone have any info on Molina’s status?

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