We’ve got your offense right here

Yankee Stadium.jpgYou knew it was too good to last. The Yankees played their first four hour-plus game of the season on Wednesday at the Stadium, a 15-9 slugfest with the Red Sox that played – for the first five innings, especially – like the co-ed softball games I used to umpire in Rockland County. (That was a lot of fun. Hopefully someone remembers all the times I beat the runner down the first base line as a single-man umpiring crew. I’m a hustler.)

20 runs crossed the plate in the first five frames alone, but LaTroy Hawkins and Brian Bruney especially stopped the bleeding and deserve a lot of credit for this one. Chien-Ming Wang had little but neither did Clay Buchholz, and for as sharp as they both looked last Friday in Boston, this was a definite pounding for each guy.

This evening brings us Mike Mussina and Josh Beckett in what, on paper, reads like a mismatch. You never know when Moose is going to be able to spot his command, though, and you can’t write him off for this one. If he’s able to hit his spots and stay below 100 pitches in five innings, the Yankees have a chance.

Why not? The bats are warming up and this looks more like the offense that we’ve been saying can pound bad pitchers into submission. Beckett, however, is not one of those guys. He’s a bonafide ace and they’ll have their work cut out for them.

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I am 100% in agreement. If they don’t get rid of him, at least let sit him down. (To put a pin in his ego) Put Dunc on 1st and use Mats or Damon as DH. Maybe that wake him up. I said before that he should go to left, All I heard in ST that he has learned to not always pull but to put the ball on play to left or CF field. I remember Ted (the great) Williams and the Williams Shift, Only thing is he was a the greatest hitter of all times and beat the shift. G is not a great hitter but his ego is so big he must try For the long ball regardless of the situation. Non HOFer is another story.
“GO YANKEES”

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elfman – I’m sure you are right – they don’t want to give up on him – but how long do you wait? In my (uneducated) opinion, you don’t give up on someone like Cano, who WILL come around and hit .300 or better, is young, and not injury prone. Giambi is an injury waiting to happen – he’s clearly WAY past his prime – and what are we really waiting for? For him to come around to MAYBE a .250 average? No thanks!!! His OBP isn’t even over .300 yet!!! Not worth the wait to me!

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At least with Moose you know what you’re going to get this year. You’ll get a bonafide 5th starter who won’t deep and alternate between decent outings and getting shelled. In other words, he’ll basically be like every other 5th starter in the majors. The Yanks can win with that. However, when your first baseman is hitting worse than a National League catcher, you’ve got problems. And don’t bring up “oh, Ortiz is hitting just as badly but you know he’ll bounce back.” I do know he’ll bounce back because his last FIVE years he’s averaged a .301 BA, 41 HRs, and 128 RBIs. Take Giambi’s last five years: .247 BA, 27 HRs, and 77 RBIs. What about those stats says anything about him possibly bouncing back?

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I do understand what all the coaches are talking about because if a guy is killing the ball in BP and even in games but has nothing to show for it, you don’t want to give up on him. I think what we as Yankee fans see is a continuing pattern that’s been going on for many years. I understand that he’ll still get his share of walks and all that, but at this point he’s useless on the bases which makes it so a guy like Matsui or Cano, who sometimes hit behind him, can’t run themselves. I’m not sure what exactly to do about Giambi himself, but I know the Yanks have to cut Betemit and bring up Duncan. Duncan’s not going to be a top first baseman, but he will have a chance at hitting over .200.

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I have to agree with the Giambi comments. You know what’s ironic? Giambi’s been fine with the glove. It’s his HITTING that’s killed us. All everyone talked about at the beginning of the season was “will he be able to play defense well enough to be in the lineup?” The answer to that question was actually “yes.” The problem was that was apparently the wrong question, heh.

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I had said before, if Shelly Duncan was to play for the Yankees a full season he will crack 25+ HR, is cheaper than Giambi and i’m pretty sure he will have better average (at least .280). Not only that, the energy that he brings to the team is un-replaceable.

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Sorry – can’t spell really well today!

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I agree with the Giambi idea -he’s got to go. I’m getting sick of hearing “He’s hitting the ball really well – he’s just running into bad luck.” How long is this going to gon on? Are we going to wait it out until the All-Star Break when he’s STILL hitting under .100 and running into “bad luck”??? UGH! East his over-the-top salary and get rid of him!!!! It has to be paid anyway – at least if he’s gone they can’t be paying AND hurting themselves in the process!

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“I missed so badly a couple of times, I wasn’t even sure what I was trying to do,” Mussina said. “I really didn’t feel like I had command of the ball. It was a fight from the beginning and it didn’t get any better.”

That sounds an AWFUL lot like last years “I don’t know what I’m doing out there” comment. Not good.

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Sometimes when I see that shift I wonder if even a guy like Giambi who ain’t excatly the fastest runner in the world can bunt double. If he gets it down past the pitcher there is nobody there.

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Yankees should release Giambi. For one, He has a me first and team second mentality. In my Opinion this why the Yankees have’nt won since signing him to huge a contract. One example of this in the bottom of the ninth at Yankee stadium. The yankees are losing by four and who else but Giambi is leading off. A selfless person would do anything to get on base and set up a situation where one of the yankees can drive him in and chip away at the lead. Giambi had a perfect opportunity to get on by just hitting the ball the other way simply away from the Infamous Giambi shift. What does Giambi do , He strikes out trying to hit the game winning five run home run with the bases empty trying to win the game. This why yankees haven’t won since they sign selfish players with bg egoes like Giambi and Mussina being the other one. Mussina is another guy who has lost his stuff but his sturbbonness has kept from make any changes to become a more effective pitcher. Shame on you guys for putting yourselves before the team and Yankees should try to do everything possible to drop these guys. They will never win a championship with these guys on thr roster.

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD April 17,2008

Scranton/WB 2
Charlotte (White Sox) 10
W: W. Whisler (3-0, 1.08); L: J. Marquez (1-2, 9.82)
HR: CHA: B. Eldred (2), D. Wise (2), D. Lucy (1).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_17_swbaaa_chraaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Trenton 7
New Britain (Twins) 4
W: J. Jones (3-0, 1.50); L: J. Sawatski (0-2, 9.95); SV: E. Wordekemper (1)
HR: NBR: B. Peterson (3).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_17_treaax_nbraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Tampa 7
Dunedin (Blue Jays) 1
W: A. Aceves (2-0, 2.70); L: K. Rodriguez (1-1, 3.86); SV: E. Soto (1)
HR: TAM: E. Gonzalez (4).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_17_tbyafa_dunafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Charleston 4
Savannah (Mets) 6
W: J. Stinson (1-1, 4.76); L: A. Olbrychowski (0-2, 6.39)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_17_crdafx_savafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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I will say that I’m getting pretty sick of playing .500 ball…….

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I see everyone else gave up too….

Ok, trying to be positive. Melky’s hitting the ball really well. We hit and scored off Paplebon and in the “every little bit helps to shake confidence” vein, thats good. Farnsworth has now pitched two full innings without giving up a run? Traber has bounced back well from the light thrumming he took at TB last week and has now pitched 6 innings giving up only the two runs in TB showing that he can both go more than an inning and is more than just a lefty specialist.

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Hey! Manny only got a single

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COME ON!!!!! SWING THE BAT

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ah, well then they’d have to be pretty daft not to exercise them.

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The Red Sox have 2 options for the next two years that they can pick up.

http://statisticianmagician.mlblogs.com/

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Beckett is making us look foolish.

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Walk Manny. I think when someone keeps hitting aginst you, you walk him. That’s how MOST managers do it. Girardi has his own style…

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Maybe Ramirez will go all Johnny Damon and chase the $$$ come the end of the season. Somewhere NL would be great.

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thats it. I’m done watching. At least Cano didn’t swing at the first pitch. He waited untul the second to get out.

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Wow. 77 pitches to get out of the 3rd inning. And now we’re 5 runs down to Beckett whose thrown a total of about 20.

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That’s all he has. Sort night for Mussina.

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Is ANYONE watching hte game? Is someone throwing in the BP???

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FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! TAKE HIM OUT!

MIKE! I spend the DAY defending you and you let me down!!

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Come ON! How long does he keep throwing junk?

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Mussina isn’t on tonight, which means he’s in serious trouble, this team can’t afford to fall behind a pitcher like Beckett. The Yanks should just walk Ramirez every time they face him they just can’t get him out.

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Get him out.

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we need to just f’ing walk him

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JHC!!!!!! MANNY JUST HIT ANOTHER ONE

WTF?!?!?!

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GEEZ… Moose is at 55 pitches 1/3rd of the way thru the 3rd inning.

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This is going to be a long game.

HELLO? IS THIS ON???

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we should just walk manny every time

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OK… What is the line on Beckett???? SWING AT THE FIRST PITCH??? COME ON!!!!

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No command tonight. Not many first pitch strikes

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Moose in trouble already. Goes 3-0 on Manny who then plunks the 3-1 pitch over the wall.

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The David Ortiz jersey is up for bids on eBay. It’s now over $30,000.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120248650648

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I think the game will hinge on the zone established. Anyone know whom’s due up behind the plater?

McClelland seemed to have a pretty tight zone last night, but he usually does, I feel like I see more offensive games with him calling then I do defensive games. I think also that both Bucholz and Wang were really close to spots previously ‘hit’ and were getting called balls when they’d gotten strikes the previous time through. But then again maybe I see figments… ;)

Mussina will need a more liberal zone than what McClelland was allowing last night, let’s just say that…

Of course that theoretically should help Beckett too… so we should be patient!

Anyone have any answers as to why Cano continues to swing at pitch 1 and 2 almost every single AB? I can’t fathom why Long or Girardi wouldn’t leash him up a bit more and make pitchers work harder to get him out. I just don’t get it, I know/we know he’s a great hitter… is it that he’s not seeing the ball well, or is it bad guesswork, or is it mechanics? Doesn’t seem to be mechanics… seems more like how he’s seeing the ball or guessing how he’s getting ‘opened with’ in his ABs and guessing wrong! :P

It was VERY nice to see the rally after we really worked hard to oust Bucholz and then came to see Wang struggle badly after doing pretty well through the first few frames. That come-back after being down by 4 from the Sox was daunting… it sure could’ve let all of the air out of the sails… but we persevered… and then we even poured it on. Nice message to send and effort to show.

Beckett has had our number for a bit, but I have a feeling we’ll turn those tables, tonight’s as good as any!!

Go Yank-ees!!

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Heh, I’m with you cheshire. If the Yanks win tonight that will be a TOTAL steal. Think about it, we have Moose who hasn’t gotten bombed in three starts yet (which means he just might be due) AND who the Sox just saw last week. They have their ace, their Cy Young runner-up, their horse. Now yes, the Yanks just saw him too, but he’s more about overpowering hitters, whereas Moose relies solely on tricking them. Not only that, but the Sox have Okajima and Papelbon nice and rested so Beckett doesn’t even need to go more than 6. Meanwhile the Yankees have no Joba, no Bruney, no Hawkins…etc. They got Mo, but that’s about it. Here’s to robbing the Sox blind tonight!

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The above should read as signed off Aussie Bryen

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Interesting the debate pertaining to Mussina, there has been a lot of negativity passed around. Would such negativity been prominent if this was being discussed at the start of 2007 yes 2007. Is it possible peoples opinions are being clouded by the really bad stretch he had towards the end of 2008. I suggest put that aside and his record stands up. His performances in 2008 I think have been solid even when he took the last loss aginst the Red Sox. One swallow does not make a summer remember. I appreciate my knowledge on stats does not stand up against yours but I am learning. He has a tough assignment tonight. I hooe he delivers as I suspect he will.

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Regardless of whether Moose makes it or not to the HOF, let’s hope he picks up win number 2 tonight on his way to 15 games. Go Yanks!

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Hall of Fame Discussion….

Three pitchers not in the Hall of Fame yet, that should be considered [but, probably don't have the numbers either] before Mike Mussina, are: Jim Kaat, W/L (283-237); ERA (3.45); 20-win seasons (3) ….25-13 (1966); 21-13 (1974); 20-14 (1975) …Tommy John, W/L (288-231); 3.69 ERA; 20-win seasons (3) …20-7 (1977 – L.A. Dodgers); 21-9 (1979 – Yankees); 22-9 (1980 – Yankees) ….Jack Morris, W/L (254-186); ERA (3.90); 20-win seasons (3) ….20-13 (1983); 21-8 (1986); 21-6 (1992) …..Also, Ron Guidry has Hall of Fame numbers, but really did not play long enough (only 14 seasons), with the last three [after 1985, not very good] ….Check-out the numbers: W/L (170-91); 3.29 ERA; 95 CG; 26 SHO; 20-win seasons (3) …. 25-3; 1.74 ERA – 1978 [an awesome year - one of the best ever]; 21-9; 3.42 ERA – 1983; 22-6; 3.27 ERA – 1985 …. Guidry’s career stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/guidrro01.shtml ….Jimmy…. http://baseballtheyankeesandlife.mlblogs.com/

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Robert, Thanks for the daily minor league scores..

“GO YANKEES”

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Enough with this Moose & the Hall.. I don’t think he will be a HOFer. We are living in a different era. it used to be a starter was expected to pitch a complete game, not a given number of pitches. Then came the era of relief pitching specialist, long, short, 7th, 8th, and closer. Thus comparisons are almost impossible. The roids era, unless proven should not be in any criteria for the HOF. There are many players who took roids will never make it because of their talent level. Others would have been talented enough to make it even without drugs.
NOW BACK TO THE YANKEES….. “GO YANKEES”

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD April 17,2008

Scranton/WB 7:15PM
Charlotte (White Sox)
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Trenton 7
New Britain (Twins) 4
W: J. Jones (3-0, 1.50); L: J. Sawatski (0-2, 9.95); SV: E. Wordekemper (1)
HR: NBR: B. Peterson (3).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_17_treaax_nbraax_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Tampa 7PM
Dunedin (Blue Jays)
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Charleston 7PM
Savannah (Mets)
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You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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YANKEES MINOR LEAGUE SCOREBOARD April 16,2008

Scranton/WB 4
Charlotte (White Sox) 2
W: H. Phillips (1-0, 2.00); L: L. Broadway (2-1, 0.82); SV: J. Veras (3)
HR: SWB: J. Miranda (2).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_16_swbaaa_chraaa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Altoona (Pirates) 8
Trenton 7
W: C. Hernandez (2-0, 1.23); L: M. Gardner (0-1, 3.68); SV: P. Bresnehan (1)
HR: ALT: J. Boone (2). TRE: C. Ehlers (2), C. Malec (1).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_16_altaax_treaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Tampa 6
Dunedin (Blue Jays) 1
W: R. Pope (1-1, 1.93); L: R. Gonzalez (2-1, 4.50)
HR: TAM: T. Battle (2).
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_16_tbyafa_dunafa_1&t=g_box&did=milb
Charleston 6
Savannah (Mets) 5
W: N. Castillo (2-0, 2.16); L: S. Moviel (1-2, 8.38); SV: J. Ortiz (5)
HR: None.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_04_16_crdafx_savafx_1&t=g_box&did=milb
You may also see http://www.yankeesdaily.com for details.

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I say a pitcher can’t be judged on any ONE thing, wins, K’s, CYs, WS rings, WHiPs, ERA, etc…. but on EVERYTHING and he must be compared not statistiucally to those already there but to those whom he pitched around. I submit that Rocket, Maddux and Glavine were in a previous class (3-5 or so years older). I tried to (absurdly) compare Moose to Ryan (Ryan has more wins and K’s, Moose has a better winning pct) both garnered CY consideration 8 times. Ryan was an 8 time AS, Moose 5 times. Moose has a better fielding percentage. Now, I know that Moose is no Nolan Ryan but I DO think another 15 win season giving him in the 265 range perhaps and a WS ring and he gets in.

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Jimmy,
We actually had that discussion in the last blog post. I say yes, and more likely on a veterans committee vote.

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Correction…

Billy Traber did his job last night, facing only one batter, David Ortiz….He got the out, by making Ortiz pop-out to the catcher !!!

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Also, great game by Chad Moeller yesterday…

(3-4), with; 1-run; a walk; and, 1 RBI …Way to go, Chad !!! … http://baseballtheyankeesandlife.mlblogs.com/

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Big win for the Yankees yesterday !!! …

Well, all wins are really “Big”, but especially against the Red Sox…..

And, I agree, Bryan, other than Ohlendorf, the bullpen pitched very well in the game….Hawkins got is first Yankees win; and, Bruney actually got a save [his first since 2005], closing out the game !!!….Also, Billy Traber did his job [facing only one batter] by getting David Ortiz to strikeout…A key stat, also, in the game was the number of runners the Red Sox left on base, 27 …including, 5 each by Ellsbury and Lugo; …4 each by Pedroia and Varitek; and, 3 each by Ortiz and Youkilis …Hopefully, Mike Mussina will pitch a good game tonight, and the Yankees hit Beckett early …I still think Mussina will win 15 games this year, even though I don’t think his career numbers will be good enough for him to be elected into the Hall of Fame …This seems to be the big debate here at “Bombers Beat” the last couple of days. So, I guess since Mussina is pitching tonight, the debate will continue for at least today and tomorrow… What does everyone think? Mussina in the Hall of Fame ? [I say no]; …Will Mussina win 15 games this year ? [I say yes] …The great Mike Mussina debate continues … Jimmy …http://baseballtheyankeesandlife.mlblogs.com/

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