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BruneyThe Yankees were quite discreet with their Champagne and those plastic coverings you always see draped over lockers in postseason celebrations. Surely, all that good stuff was tucked away somewhere in Tropicana Field, but it certainly wasn’t in plain view. Nor would it be; not after the bullpen wasted Alex Rodriguez’s grand slam and five unlikely scoreless innings by Kei Igawa.

New York’s magic number remains at one with a Tigers win over the Twins, though the Yankees have now moved three games behind the Red Sox with five games left to play. It’s unpleasant for Yankees fans to watch the bullpen implode like that, for certain, but it also raises some very serious questions about who could or should make the postseason roster.

If Joe Torre isn’t handing the baseball to guys wearing No. 42 or No. 62, how confident do you really feel? Torre said the Yankees will carry Kyle Farnsworth if he’s healthy, and they seem encouraged by throwing him back-to-back here after some slight tweaks.

But Brian Bruney can’t seem to throw the ball over the plate and Edwar Ramirez’s early magic seems to have worn off. It seems like some of the Yankees’ recent games have doubled as open bullpen auditions, and with good reason. Someone has the chance to step up and claim a postseason roster spot but so far, you’d have to say that no one has.

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like Matt said, the road would have been much smoother with a more established pitcher like Proctor. There’s nothing unusual about having relief pitchers with ERA’s over 3.00 in the pen especially with Proctor’s role.

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well good night everyone, im gonna go celebrate and not sit here and cry over a trade, im over that!!!

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You should ask yourself how many time it blew it without him. Too many to count.

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insane to assume? well maybe to you it is. not to me. the yankees have allowed problems to happen in the pen and if they want to have this kind of performance in the playoffs fine. surely a pen cant have everyone close to 3. i dont agree that the pen is weaker w/out him. **** they were w/ him. how many times did he blow it? ummmmm, hang on let me keep counting and get back to ya on that one. look we all have the right to disagree and slam on each other etc. but im agreeing to disagree. see you guys in the playoff posts.

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puertorican,

I think some of that wine is going to your head lol!!! This team wasn’t going to get where it is because of him, and if the Yanks failed it wouldn’t be because they traded him. This team made it to where it is for a whole host of other reasons, but the road would have been a lot smoother with him in the ‘pen.

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like I said a team will take a pitcher who can post the type of ERA that Proctor did while with the Yanks considering his role. Like I said he pitched his butt off last season, and can outpitch the garbage currently in the ‘pen. Not every reliever is going to have an ERA under 3.00, that’s just insane to assume. When the heck has that happened. this ‘pen is weaker without him as it has continued to struggle throughout the season, and has been in a state of flux all season. I don’t claim to be an expert, never did I’m just stating facts, and the fact is this ‘pen is weaker without him as we have seen.

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I’m not arguing, ****, Im having some wine and celebrating, that after all the struggling, we made it! Why cant we be friends? lol, and who cares about Proctor, we made it to the playoffs without him, so was he really that big of an asset anyways? I guess that when youre pitching for a team that can only dream of the playoffs, 3.00 is a good ERA

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arguing? not arguing here. just stating an opinion of what has been seen. and 3.00 and lower is very good, never said it ****** or didnt cut it. happy for the yanks that they made it this far but lets look ahead to the playoffs and see how it unfolds.

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Are you guys crazy to even argue about something like this after we just clinched the WC? First of all, any team would take a pitcher who could post a 3.00 ERA or better. What do you want naptown, an entire pitching staff made up of HOFers on your staff? The loss of Proctor has obviously weakened this bullpen. No one has pitched better than Proctor since he left the Yankees, and no one in this sorry ‘pen can come close to pitching as close to Proctor. Matt’s right, these pitchers can only dream of pitching as well as Proctor as this ‘pen is garbage. Proctor did pitch his butt off last season, and did outpitch most of the ‘pen. The current ‘pen has only gotten worse since he left. To say a pitcher who manages a 3.00 or less doesn’t cut it is an absolute joke. Proctor started out strong this season until he Torre started overusing him again like the rest of the ‘pen. He was far from the worst pitcher in the ‘pen at the time, and the Yanks definitely got the short end of the deal.

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So true…. starters need to STEP IT UP and back up the offense, so nobody gets nervous when they bring Rivera on the 9th inning and he fills the bases, I mean, any yankees fan knows the offense is NOT our problem, it is, and it has been the pitching, its they only reason why we havent had a ring this whole time

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matt,

thanks for the lecture dad. *****. 3.whatever and UP. problems. 3. and down very good. it just goes to show the quality of pitching throughout this league. i dont care who we got in return for proctor. i luv it when people act like they are ****** experts and im not saying i am by any means. but geezus age christ. if you want mediocre pitching and you re satisfied w/ that, go ahead and bask yourself in it. the pen was weak w/ him and they are weak w/out him. good for him he is doing better in LA. maybe he couldnt hack the pressure. cashmen has done nothing to improve the bullpen and perhaps there is reason budget wise, etc. i will say this, if the starters can get it to our reliable relievers then the yanks will do well. if the get into any kind of trouble earlier and its handed over to these goons who cant pitch then the yanks will lose in the first round.

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naptown,

Give me a break!! A 3.00 or less is very good by anyone’s standards. not everyone can be a Cy Young candidate, which is probably something you would want by your standards. Proctor pretty much outpitched everyone in the bullpen last season, and started out strong. The fact is he was being overused by Torre after being overused by him last season. He is what he is, a middle innings pitcher who will come in, and pitch a couple of innings, period. He is far better than anyone in the current bullpen not named Vizcaino, Chamberlain, and Rivera. Like, I said he is now pitching far better with the Dodgers at this time, and point as his ERA is under 3.00, something the current pitchers in the bullpen with the exception of the ones I just mentioned could only dream of. Without him this team has no options outside of those three pitchers, and this team is suffering for it. Is this bullpen better off without him? That’s obvious, no!!!!! Did this team get the better end of the Betemit deal? Heck NO!!!!! Could he cut it? Heck yes!!! A lot better than what is in the ‘pen now. without a doubt, this ‘pen is far weaker without him, and that has shown big time.

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Looking at the season in a realistic way, putting my fan side to the side, im gonna have to agree with nap!

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We are going to the playoffs…. who wouldve thought! Lets party!!! We got a lot to be thankful for, like… making it to the playoffs after the way we began this year, now lets just pray the starters step it up in the playoffs

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matt, that person would be me. proctor ****** okay. period. he couldnt cut it. and a 3.00 is good? *****. not by my standards. any pitcher in my opinion that has a 3. whatever has problems. if he was used too much then point the finger at the coaching staff for that one. as a former pitcher in college, and no im not saying it to be saying it, putting yoru passion up of being a fan instead of looking at things differently clearly shows.

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One other thing, the Yanks will clinch tonight. With a very half-hearted Yaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!!!!

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chaz,

First of all I have to disagree with you a little ( real surprise there) about Proctor. At the time of the trade he was struggling as much as any other reliever in the ‘pen, I doubt he was “forced” to trade him away. I’m sure if Cashman gave it more thought he could have found an alternative to Proctor without giving up prospects. No matter what anyone thinks, Betemit isn’t worth anything close to a high-value prospect. And to the person who said Proctor *****, you’re absolutely nuts!!!!! He is 3-0 with the Dodgers and has a sub-3.00 ERA,those aren’t numbers of a pitcher who *****. Like I have said before, his problems were probably from a tired arm,the results from being overused the previous season ( a season he posted very good numbers in), plus he was being overused again along with every other pitcher in the ‘pen. You never, never trade something as valuable as a relief pitcher for a part time player. All you have to do is measure what you may gain by what you may lose, and the Yanks didn’t do that, they are now finding that out the hard way. I only wish there were some legal way to overturn the trade. But the only way to avoid the garbage we call a ‘pen is to start having the starters go deeper into games, especially if the are having a quality start for the rst of the season, and throughout the playoffs. It’s not like fatigue will be an issue as Pettitte is the only starter over 200 innings, except for Wang no one else is close to that.

One other thing chaz, I’m not one of those people who whine about crps about the Yanks when they lose. I’m just really disappointed that this team lost out on the chance to win the decision the second Karstens gave up that homer. Once again, thanks a lot Karstens!!!! I just hope this ends any talk of Karstens as a starter.

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“It has been debated whether Torre’s playing career rose to the level of Hall of Fame caliber, though the general consensus is that he was just slightly below the elite level of skill deserving of election. His accomplishments as the Yankees’ manager, though, almost certainly will lead to his induction as a manager upon his retirement as well as his #6 being retired by the Yankees.”
– Wiki

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Clinch Tonight!!!!!Go YANKS!!!!!! Jill, I’ll clang my virtual glass with ya.

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chaz no problem. only thing im saying is why take someone out while he pitched 5 shut out innings and take a chance of the pen screwing it up when afterall it happened. so it goes both ways is what i should of said. okay im w/ ya on the getting laid no matter the mood too lol GO YANKS!

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Thanks Chaz, ACollins and the others who try and have fun as well as good chats about baseball and the Yanks, as opposed to some of the ignorant folks out there. The majority of us want to support our team, commiserate when things don’t go our way and then rally again for another win. That’s what being a fan is about.

Chaz – I came out and admitted to my husband a couple of weeks ago that I may have a small crush on Joba. Haha. I have to get one of those Joba Rules shirts.

That being said, I grew up watching the Yanks and living in Seattle has only made me a more ardent fan of the boys in pinstripes.

Everyone get some cocktails ready for tonight’s game so we can have a virtual toast when we lock it down.

Go Yanks!

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Bob, its also really brilliant to want to place a perennial 100 rbi guy in the 9 hole. That WOULD get Joe fired.

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I would just like to throw a compliment out to the ladies who post on this blog. You ARE not the, “I like Jeter cuz he’s sooooooo cute!” fans that I usually run into from the fairer sex. Jill…..WOW! That is a freaking awesome rebuttal to Bob’s comment about moving posada up in the lineup. Jeterstar, Sportsgirl, Jill, and Janie are all obviously students of the game. Maybe THEY should manage the team. Hey, BOB, small ball is for the National League. We are the “Bronx Bombers”, not the “Bronx Bunters”. And BTW, Naptown, thanks for the “advice”, I need to get laid no matter what mood I’m in. Just a passionate fan, dude. I’m with you on the agree to disagree note. I already said I was done arguing about it 2 posts ago.

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Oh now it’s “play Damon full time”. Three months ago it was “HURRY, trade Damon before the deadline” and “do you think we could get Torii Hunter and Johan Santana for Johnny Damon and Kyle Farnsworth?” I sware, if there’s one thing Sox players are better about it’s having faith in their players. I understand the argument that Yankee fans demand to win and that they’re a “different breed of fan”, but at a certain point you just sound stupid.

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Joe doesn’t like small ball? The Yankees beat the Blue Jays 12-11 last weekend in a game in which neither team homered. Twelve runs of small ball. They have only one player in their lineup whose sole offensive purpose is to homer and it’s Giambi, and we don’t see him much anymore. If your referring to a lack of base-stealing, blame Brian Cashman for not getting any speedsters in this lineup. We all saw Abreu get caught stealing twice in the same game last week, and he’s one of the top three on the team. The Yankee lineup and a lack of small ball is not the problem here.

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OK, I think the informed Yankee fans have spoken. Thank you wade, jill, and jeterstar.
You don NOT want to be a Tampa Bay Devil Ray tonight.

I’m out.

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Wow Bob, Joe doesn’t like small ball. I think a suicide squeeze with ARod would have been a wonderful idea. Facts are facts, Joe Torre has won every year, against every team, Angels are the only team that have beaten him more than he has beaten them. Bob, Does Chin Ming Wang ring a bell with you. No reliable pitchers? He has won more games than any pitcher in baseball for the past two years. I think Jill put your hitting Posada behind Arod thoughts to rest, and the fact that you didn’t catch on to that makes me wonder what you do know. He hasn’t been loyal to any losers, the Yankees have not had any. I’m wondering where you have been all year.

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Posada has not been put behind ARod since it takes away the situational lefty from coming in and getting out Matsui, Cano, and either Minky/Giambi.

Damon – LH

Jeter – RH

Abreu – LH

ARod – RH

Matsui – LH

Posada – SH

Cano – LH

Giambi/Minky – LH

Cabrera -SH

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why not put Posada after AROD? no one seems to have an intelligent rebutal. thats because it the right thing. Move Hitsui to the bottom of the lineup if at all. Play Damon full time.
Joe wake up time to come out of your naptime

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Totally agree AC, thanks for hearing me out, and you are right on about 2001, I was depressed for three weeks after that loss, only because the my second home, NY, deserved that freakin ring that year. Alright I’m out, have a great day Yankee fans, GO YANKEES….

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Look the facts are the facts. Joe T makes bad mistakes when it comes to:
pitching selections

slow to change the lineup

pampers players

too much loyalty to losers

does not like small ball

The other huge fact is that Cashman is the real clown. He does not go for pitching he goes for sluggers because they bring in the box office receipts.

There is not one reliable pitcher on the staff. Clemens is done. bullpen except for Joba and Mariano are not worth a ****.

every gane is an adventure but then you add the Torre factor, it makesa for the Yanks losing to the Angels for sure.

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jeterstar, I get the NY fan mentality. Trust me, I am that guy. I was physically ill after both the 2003 and 2004 ALCS (for very different reasons!) To this day I get angry thinking of the 2001 World Series. To me, in the wake of 9/11, when the Snakes won that one it was like the terrorists winning. Bloody sock or not, I hate Curt Schilling most of all because of his time as a Snake. (I can’t even speak the actual name of that Arizona team, that’s how sick it makes me.) Anyway, the point is I want a World Series title or nothing. But I don’t think we should get too down on a team that is generally doing great, just because of one bad (really bad) night in Tampa. Wang wins tonight, baby. Wang wins tonigh.

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I really think that Joe should have make Igawa for 7innings, but no he put Raminez, which is okay but BRUNEY isn’t that good. Yankees will beat them tonight!

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OB – I wasn’t trying to be negative about Manning. Heck – as a Giants fan, I wish that Peyton’s game management skills would be passed on to his brother. He just looked like he was in danger of becoming the next Dan Marino. Clearly he shut everyone up with his performance at the Super Bowl.

All – Was not trying to be super-negative. My concern was more about locking up a spot so Jeter can rest his knee, Cano can rest, etc.

Go Yanks!

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In the top of the 8th last night, Jeter at bat, go ahead run at third, 2 outs. Tampa gets the out and goes on to win in extra innings. I’m wondering if Jeter gets that hit, do we all get on here today and talk about the great job Torre did last night. Giving all those arms a chance to earn a spot and taking them out at the right time. No, we would be celebrating the playoffs and hoping for another Red Sox loss today. That game was not Torre, it was the whole. We all question different things, but we are not in the know to understand why. I’m sure everything that happened last night was for a reason. Torre is not trying to lose so we can avoid the Angels. He can’t control that. We lost a close game. Lets regroup and win tonight.

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Believe me A. Collins I know Chaz’s frustration, but thats the way NY fans are, kick em when they’re down and support them only when they win. My dad, who was born and raised in NYC, is the perfect example of it, he said he would never watch the Yanks ever again after 04, but as soon as they win, of course he watches, they are just a different breed of fans. They DEMAND to win and when the Yanks don’t they are going to hear about it, Yankee fans are not like Rangers fan, supporting the team win or lose, thats why the Ranger front office don’t care about winning, cause the fans keep coming to the games regardless. So it is part of being a Yankee fan, at least a Yankee fan from New York, they are so hardcore about winning, at all costs. I know when I visit New York(I’m from in TX), some Yankee fans scare me,they are so hardcore, not all of them but alot of them.

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chaz is right, its not torres fault that cashman is too afraid to spend some cash on a bullpen that does know numbers and that does realize that the number !5! is pretty big number and it takes an idiot to give up 5 runs. i still believe in a world series 07 ring but the way things are we’d have to play a pretty pathetic team to win (how about the red sox? lol and im going to my friends hampton home and he (and everyone their) are mets fan and will not let me watch the games ill be watching the mets be pathetic agaisnt the nationals and go online the next day and find out the yanks clinched and not be able to watch them celebrate or anything…
and acollins great points u made. Ive always tried to be posotive and stuff and the right outlook always helps.

dont drag peyton manning into this bc he is the greatest quaterback in the nfl and the one of the greatest athletes. my mom got me a flight to indianpolis to see that sik SOb play the patriots! and i going with my friend whos a patriots fan so i could shove it into his face!

chaz and collins i aprreciate you guyz shutting up the negative freaks!

bb till sunday…

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i agree w/ ya ac. and i also agree w/ jeff. torre has done an overall great job since he has been w/ the yanks. ya cant say the same when he was w/ the braves, mets, etc. im done w/ the petty **** and disagreements. lets win this mother.

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Jeterstar, I get what you’re saying about chilling, but I understand Chaz’s frustration. Every time I visit a Yankee message board, all I see is negativity. OK, so no one wants to just read rah-rah stuff, but come on people — this team was DEAD AND BURIED in April May and June. Now we’re on the doorstep of the playoffs. Again. Be happy. Joe Torre has done a fantastic job. A-Rod has had an MVP season. The Captain and Mo and Jorge will forever be the greatest nucleus a team could ask for. Andy and the Rocket are back. And Joba, Hughes and Kennedy bode well for the pitching staff for years to come. Despite all this, and 9 straight division titles, “fans” are determined to complain about the team. What would you folks do if you were Kansas City Royals fans?

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Hey people,fagetabout last night!Weeding out the bad seeds was a good idea. gotta give props to Torre for THIS season, I’m not sayin we should win it all every year, but c’mon..it’s been 7 long seasons. Torre’s questionable moves have a long history. With embaressing losses to D-Backs, Marlins, and the absolute collapse to the Red sox,and Tigers, how the **** is he still here? Being a life long die hard Yankee fan, nothing would make me happier than to see us get to the WS. However, if recent history holds true,we will see a new Joe at the helm next season.and his last name won’t be Torre!

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*****,***** someone needs to get laid. dont take it personally chaz. and calling how i see it idiotic? thats idiotic. yeah lets just agree to disagree on this one. and me a fair weather fan? hardly. i dont sport a tattoo of the yanks for nothing. geezus, i hate to see how people react when they question their bosses decisions lol if we win it all great. if not, well, there goes another tv set.

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I’ll chill when these Red Sox sympathizers clean up their act and start having a little faith. This happens every time we lose a big game. We get 5 people posting on the blog when we WIN a big game, and 500 posters when we lose a big game. I do need a smoke though. LOL. Point taken, Jeterstar.

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Take a chill pill Chaz, or a stiff drink….put on a little Hendrix and chill.

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I’m done arguing about this. Believe what you want. Noone is going to say c r a p when we win the whole **** thing, and everyone will whine like school girls if we don’t. Nice fair weather fans.

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No, I can say he doesn’t make idiotic decisions. Torre has to take a look at what guys in the pen are going to be able to nut up in the playoffs, and in PRESSURE situations. He took a look at Bruney, Ramirez, Farny, Veras, and Karstens last night. It looks like the only ones that did OK were Farny (if you can believe it) and Veras. Torre won’t use the other guys in the postseason.
Besides, was this our only chance to clinch? Everyone’s acting like we’re done here. Ridiculous.

Your point that players “perform”? THE BULLPEN HAD A 5 RUN LEAD! It was their fault, NOT TORRE’s, that the game was blown. You would have me believe that a manager is responsible for NONE of a team’s success, and ALL of their failures? So, if a team wins it was because of the players’ peformance and if they lose it was because of poor management? THAT is idiotic. His “questionable” decisions are largely resposible for getting us into the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons. Torre has scoreboard. Obviously, the Yankees have achieved all those WS rings, AL pennants, and Division Titles, DESPITE Torre. Whatever.

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And Jill that’s exactly what I thought too, I have been a Alex fan forever and I have liked Peyton for like 5 years and I got lots of **** for liking both of them. Finally Peyton made the Peyton haters shut up and now it’s Alex’s turn.

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I hear you A. Collins but Joe Torre has had awesome teams, they for the most part know what to do, don’t get me wrong Torre was a big part of the Yankees’ success but I personally lost a lot of confidence in him in 2004, I don’t blame him for everything that went wrong in that Sox ALCS, but manager always takes the brunt of the blame.

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Funny you brought up Peyton Manning. As soon as he won the Super Bowl, my immediate thought was that maybe this was A-Rod’s year.

I always thought that they both had great individual achievements but couldn’t win the big game – i.e., he got his team to the playoffs but couldn’t close the deal in January. Peyton obviously proved it this year that he could. So maybe A-Rod will do the same and lead the Yanks in October.

As for Bonds, it seems like they already have Giambi so while he may be a better lefty and I am not sure how his demeanor would fit in with the Yankee clubhouse which seems to be more easygoing than in years past. I think any hired guns would come via pitching, and not hitting for 08.

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umm ac, no one said he should be ummm FIRED. its his decision making regarding the pitching is all im saying. so im for one not EAGER to push him aside. just keep in mind, those in authority positions get questioned w/ some of their decision. so assuming one wants joe fired or removed or replaced, blah blee blah is rediculous.

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So all the winning…the 9 division titles…the 6 pennants…the 4 rings…all happened IN SPITE OF Joe Torre? It was because of the players alone? Pretty much anyone sitting in the manager’s chair could have done it? But the bad things are all Joe’s fault? Even George Steinbrenner doesn’t think that way. I don’t understand how you can be so eager to push aside a man who has done absolutely nothing but win since the day he arrived. Joe Torre should manage this team until he decides not to. Period.

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oh chaz, your solution to the mid relief was awesome. i was having ken griffey jr. nintendo flashbacks w/ those menu options you produced! lol

jeterstar, not sure about bonds in a yankee uniform but i wouldnt be surprised if the yanks pursued him. afterall, he can still hit and of course, puts fear in every pitcher he faces. i ll try and send a shout out to peyton for ya. everyone here dresses like smurf close to game day w/ the sea of blue in indy it makes me gag.

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Going to have to agree with Nap Town, I have respect for Torre too, but I still want Girardi to manage next season. And Nap Town, tell Peyton Manning I said “Whats up”!

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btw, proctor ******!

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chaz,

you cant tell me that torre makes some of the most idiotic decisions. players play and managers manage. i dont care what his percentages are and could careless what his win/loss record is. its the players that produce his stats. overall i like joe as a manager but he continues to makes some HUGE questionable and idiotic decisions when it comes to the pithching staff and has done so since 96.

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Oh and other question for Yankees fans, um, how would you guys feel if the Yanks signed Barry Bonds to DH next season?

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I was beginning to think there was no intelligent life here, until Chaz saved the day. You and jeterstar are right on most everything, while BobRusso is clearly intoxicated. (Note: the man’s name is TORRE, not TORRES.)
Anyway, I too am a high-strung Yankee nut who is instantly in a bad mood whenever they lose (one “o” not two). But I was able to be philosophical about last night’s game. It was awful but we will win tonight and all will be forgotten. I wanted that 10th straight East title (HATE the idea of Sox flying a division championship banner) but once we hoist that 27th W.S. trophy, who’ll care? If Giambi had homered in that pinch-hit spot, no one would criticize. It was absolutely the right move. That said, I’m not so sure you won’t see Mientkiewicz in the post-season. His glove work this month alone has convinced me of his value to the team, especially if we get into one of those nailbiter games with those filthy Angels. Cheer up Yankee fans. Tonight we complete our journey from the grave to the playoffs!

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Ok Yankee fans try to relax, and I can’t believe I’m saying that, cause I’m pretty high strung, but I believe we will clinch tonight. I know it is no excuse but the team was having a good time on Monday night with the rookie hazing, Giambi even threw a bash, as you guys know athletes like to get their party on. So I’m sure their heads were not totally in the game yesterday, I don’t know thats just my theory. I think they will win tonight, and start resting Jeter and others, and Torre will probably give more playing time at first base, because don’t you guys think that Torre will put Jason at first in the playoffs, because Torre has always said, his best line up is with Jason at first?

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Consor,
I agree. Pushed his luck? It was terrible judgment to put them in from the get go. I think he wanted to loose. Torres makes bad decisions. i was in shock last nnight with his pitching selections. He should be fined

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perhaps someone can enlighten me on why Mitsui still hits behind Arod? Posada should be there and he is a switch hitter. TYhen have Cano bat. Keep Damon in full time and bat first.
also why is Betermit oin the team? No value, especially with the bat.

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My issue with last night’s game was that the game was ours for the taking, even after we re-tied the game. Torre dodged some bullets by getting effective outings from Veras and Farnsworth, but continued to push his luck with Karstens.

I have no issue with Torre taking out Igawa. He didn’t give up any runs and got the “out pitch” when he needed to, but still gave me fits with his 5 walks. Also who knows how many pitches Igawa has been throwing in the minors so it seemed to make sense.

Bruney should never been allowed to pitch to someone else after walking 2 people. It was clear he didn’t have command and was jabbing with Posada.

Hopefully the Yanks leave room on the roster for Sardinha as a PR…. it can’t hurt.

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Its time to take the gloves off. Joba is baby sat all day and Clemens is pampered. Clemens has to pitch to be sharp. if he comes back for the playoffs he will stink up the Bronx. its time to dumb Cashman and get a good GM in who can find good pitching talent in. Cahman has failed for too many years.
There is not one good reliuable starter for the Yankees. every time any of them take the mound it is an adventure. heaven help us if anyone but Joba comes in. may as well toss a coin to see who will win wehn the bullpen is aroused from their twilight zone.

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Bob, you are absoluely right, and we should release Derek Jeter, Rivera, Posada, and A-Rod while we are at it. Then, we should go out to monument park and rip out all the plaques, and pee on the statues. After, we can stage a bonfire on Babe Ruth’s grave, using wood from Yankee Stadium.

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Is it me, or do you guys think if Bruney and Britton together their combined weight would be……..a 747! These boys make 80’s Oprah look like a fitness GURU. Hit the gym boys. It’s alot easier to find the strike zone when your belly isn’t in the way.

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I think Torres wants to loose these last few games. why would he put the worse “relief” pitchers in, not to mention Igawa? is there somehting I dont know like, make sure the Yanks dont plan the Angels by not taking the Divison? perhpas Torres is dumber than i previuously thought? how can he put Bruney in? Farnworth? and what about Karstens? Torres was just waiting to see who would screww up the most. I feel sorry for the hitters. time to see Torres exit

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Is there a single Yankee fan, besides me, that DOESN’T think that they can manage a game better than Torre? Have you looked at his career wins? Do you remember the WS rings? Has he NOT gotten us to the playoffs with the collection of old farts at his disposal EVERY YEAR since he’s been here? Is he NOT going to Cooperstown the freaking second he retires? Is there another manager ALIVE that has the track record of winning that this guy has? Wow, you would find fault with a skipper that finished a season 162-0. NOW is not the time to whine about stuff. WE WERE DEAD, and the Yanks pulled themselves off the ground, and got in. What else do you want?

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Cashman wanted to bolster our bench, and was probably forced to give up Proctor. It’s not like the Dodgers were going to take Henn for Betemit. AT LEAST he didn’t give up a propect for Betemit. I still think the trade was stupid, but at least he didn’t get rid of Chamberlain or Kennedy for him. I bet a dollar to a doughnut that their names were mentioned in the negotiations. IF their are any decent pitchers on hand for next year, look for the Yankees to sign them.

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Some of you guys are killing me. You whine about Torre pitching good relievers too much (Proctor), and then whine when he puts the ball in somebody else’s hand to rest them. How can he win?

We have to establish who can pitch in a PRESSURE situation, not a meaningless game at the end of the season after we have clinched. I will guarantee that this was the game that decided who is NOT going to throw the ball in October. Ramirez, Bruney, and Karstens are DONE. Today’s game will be our clincher. You will see Joba, Rivera and Viscaino IF WE NEED THEM. Wang gets 19 wins and we go to the playoffs!

I’m not saying that our bullpen is great. In fact, it’s freaking AWFUL. Our starters are all going to have to go 7+ innings in every start if we hope to win ANYTHING in the playoffs. But, we will have some starters that will see action as relievers in October. Remember Dontrelle Willis? He was a reliever in that WS against us and was lights out. Look for similar performances from Hughes and Kennedy this year. You might even see Igawawful in the mix.

WE DON’T PAY GIAMBI (anymore) TO BAT .300!!!!! WE PAY HIM TO HIT BOMBS. His average is icing on the cake. I don’t care if his average is at the Mendoza line, as long as when he makes contact it leaves a vapor trail. AND, HE STILL HITS BOMBS.

Igawa threw 87 pitches. It was time to pull him when Torre did. He was trying to get the kid a victory, and assumed that he had someone in that collection of poop stains that could hold a 4 run lead. Now he knows that he does not.

Golf is absolutely CORRECT about good middle relief. Good luck getting a mid relief guy with an ERA anywhere near 3.00, and I’ll show you a setup guy or a closer. I have the secret to getting them though.

Here’s how you do it:

1. Play a video game

2. Start a franchise with the Yankees

3. Turn off the “fair trades” option

4. Trade your middle relievers for other teams’ setup guys and closers

5. enjoy

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giambi isnt going anywhere unfortunately. another year or so to deal w/ him. no trade clause in his contract. torre, a high school coach could of managed this game a **** of alot better. pulling a pitcher when he is in groove is a sin in my opinion. that was one of the most rediculous decisions i ve ever seen. then again, when it comes to pitching, he always finds a way to screw the momentum up. this isnt the time to figure out who has what in the bullpen. gee, you would of thought you have that figured out by now. torre blew that game for us. looks like the wild card for sure. as far as the post season, if torre keeps using any of these goons it will be a first series round loss for sure. be realistic. its either our starters perform well to get to joba or rivera. anyone else who may get into trouble early, they are screwed. i hope that’s not the case but that’s how its been all season.

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At least Torre didn’t use Sean Henn!!! I can’t believe Torre took out Igawa and brought in all the guys with the highest ERAs, especially Karstens and took out Britton after 1 batter. To make matters worse, he takes out Mientkiewicz who has been hot and brings in Giambi A .236 DH!!! Giambi needs to go ASAP. Also, why is Shelley Duncan not being used anymore???

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What a frustrating game..I understand that Torre wants to see what relievers he can count on in the post season, but here’s a hint: I’d feel a whole lot better if we clinched the WC BEFORE we start a crappy pitcher (we got lucky last night with Igawa) and follow up with 7 crappy relievers?!? Are you trying to lose Torre?

Out of all the relievers we used, only one doesn’t deserve being called crappy, and thats Jose Veras. He’s young, and he’s got nasty stuff. If he can stay calm and keep his control and command, he’ll be a great reliever for us perhaps as early as next season.

One more thing about these open auditions that make me angry besides the fact we have not clinched anything yet: I would like to go into the post season with a little momentum. I understand Torre wants to keep everyone rested, which I understand and agree with, but at the same time, lets keep the ball rolling. Instead of limping into the playoffs after losing a series to the worst team in baseball, and the O’s have not been kind to us this season either, how about we win a few games, get everyone’s confidence up so we can preform at our potential when it counts…

I don’t like the idea of going into October with everyone feeling bad about a losing streak.

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I wanna congradulate Bryan Bruney. Torre hasn’t figured out Boston pays you more money than we do.

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And for the Karstens naysayers I’ll offer this. It wasn’t so long ago that the names Villone and Farnsworthless were mud and Karstens had solidified his place in next season’s rotation in some minds here….. How fortunes change…

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Here’s the problem in finding “good middle relief”: It’s as scarce as hen’s teeth! Think about it. If your a good pitcher, decent stuff, good velocity and can go 2 or 3 innings, you start. If you’re exceptional and can do it for an inning or so, you close. Otherwise, you’re not good enough to be a starter and not good enough to be a closer. What does that say? Last night’s loss shouldn’t have happened. And where was Chamberlain in that mix? He pitched 1.1 innings on Sunday but only threw 16 pitches. He had Monday off. What the ****!??! Last night looked like an open casting call for some cheesy show…. 3 down with 5 to go and we’re back to 21-7 now. No excuses boys!

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I hope they dont have to play the Angels because if they do the season is over. The Angels have a feast on this pitching staff. Edwar Ramirez is GARBAGE!!! Its so frustrating that a team with such a nice collection of bats cannot hold a 5 run lead to Tampon Bay!!! I hope that after the season the bullpen is finally addressed in the right manner. It’s going to be the death of this team. Igewa has more lives than a cat!! As for Gomes, if he was stealing signs at second, he should have been decapitated his next time at the plate.

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I’m hoping they keep Veras and Ohlendorf on the Playoff roster – Veras has some filthy stuff, and Ohlendorf has a solid arm and a good head on his shoulders. I keep thinking back to 2002 when the Angels kept Fransisco Rodriguez on the Playoff roster; he was pretty much an unknown and just flat out dominated. No one’s seen Veras or Ohlendorf, and teamed up with Chamberlain and Vizcaino, I think that’s a decent path to Rivera…

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With all the money the Yankees franchise has, they should invest it in a cloning machine and toss in Joba and Mariano and make enough of them to fill the holes in our bullpen created by ALL of those inexperienced, strike zone missing, minor league relief pitchers. But unfortunately for Torre, Cashman, and Steinbrenner, that type of MUST NEEDED and PRICELESS technology doesn’t exist. Give me a break, RELIEF pitchers? More like heartburn pitchers, stress pitchers, nail-bitter pitchers, anxiety pitchers, heart attack pitchers, ripping hair off head pitchers; ANYTHING BUT RELIEF is what you can call those pitchers. I’m serious, when we make it to the post season, and one of our pitchers is starting to reach his pitch limit, and Joba and Mo get used but you need one more pitcher to close it out, BRING IN tomorrows starting pitcher instead of bringing in those “relief” pitchers. On the flip side of this really ugly coin, A-Rod finally broke out of a homerun slump in style, Kei Igawa pitch a surprising 5 innings with good success and probably would have got the win if Joba and Mo came in for REAL RELIEF PITCHING, and Damon went 5 for 5! And if looking at the bigger picture, the Yankees will most likely get the Wild Card which is the easer route than via the AL Division. Let’s just hope that Cashman can find a really good relief pitcher out there on the market, another sensation like Joba makes it out of the Yankee farm system, or Joba and Mariano finally find their long lost twin brothers!

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^ i just checked the head-to-head record between Cleveland and Anaheim.. it’s tied at 5 apiece! if those clubs have the same record at the end of the season, will a coin be flipped to determine ALDS matchups?

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hey Bryan, i have a question..

it’s looking likely that the Yankees are gonna take the WC – in which case the Yankees would play either Cleveland or Anaheim.. but what if Cleveland and Anaheim end up with the same record? would it go by the head-to-head record between those clubs to determine who the Yankees play?

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My pitching for the post-season
Chien Ming-Wang

Andy Pettite

Phil Hughes

Roger Clemens

Mike Mussina

Mariano Rivera

Luis Vizcaino

Joba Chamberlain

Kyle Farnsworth

Ron Villone

Jose Veras

One inning out of Phil Hughes or Mike Mussina is better than anything Edwar,Bruney and even worse, Karstens can give us

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I think Igawa should get another chance out of the ‘pen before the postseason if the Yankees clinch. Tonight he showed that while he still has a lot to learn and is nothing to brag about, he at least has THE ABILITY to make quality pitches when it mattered. He was a little out of control out there, but he had some nasty pitches as well, and at what should have been crucial moments, had the bullpen not fallen apart so horrifically.

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I’m not sure why Torre is conducting auditions BEFORE clinching the spot, but hey – Bruney’s recent work really earned him the chance to pitch to another batter after he already walked 2 batters and demonstrated that he could not find the strike zone.

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i think Igawa was pulled too early; he could’ve gone into the 6th.. but this is all Monday morning quarter-backing

at 3 games behind the Red Sox now and 5 games to go, it’s looking more likely that the Yankees will take the WC.. if that’s the case then i’m watching Cleveland/Anaheim to see who’ll have the better record.. and ultimately who the Yankees may play in the ALDS

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My vote would go to Scott Proctor; oh, thats right,he got traded, never mind…

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